I've never used a frame. I have 1, but cant get my self to use it. Any how I use a 14''-16'' hoop. Of all of the yrs(30) I always used a hoop.. When I put my quilt in the hoop, I make sure the top and bottom are smooth. I pull the quilt on top in all directions, and on the bottom/backing, I pull in all directions. Seems to work for me fine.