Oh, just wanted to add, two of the berninas mentioned here as good piecing machines are the 440 and 630, neither of them are made anymore, both of those had the 5mm stitch plate, I had both, and they were fairly decent at piecing. The newer 9mm machines as far as I know, are the ones that have problems piecing. Again, Bernina does have some newer model machines that actually are the 5 mm ones and I really would like to try one of those. Does anyone here have one of the 4 or 5 series machines with the 5mm?