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    Quote Originally Posted by jaciqltznok
    Quote Originally Posted by sueisallaboutquilts
    Yes, June, I do the same.
    I have a feeling though that they are going to get tougher on us. I ship a lot of things overseas and I just have a bad feeling about it.
    I'm ready to close up my ebay business and postage is one reason :(
    ME too...after 10 years, between the ebay crap and postage crap and the new tax laws...it is no longer any fun...nor is it profitable...
    You are soooo right! All we do is make Ebay rich :(

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanamoms
    Did yall know that you can mail a package directly from your mail box even if you don't know the rate? My sister told me that the "carrier" was obligated to take that package, weigh it for you and put postage on it and give yoU back whatever you requested (insurance form, delivery confirmation, etc). All you needed to do was enclosed funds estimated to cover it. If there is not a big difference, she even covers any shortage and leaves a note for her customer to pay the difference.

    CAN YOU JUST IMAGINE US REALLY TRYING THIS?????????
    I live in a very small town and I can leave money and my carrier will send it and leave change for me the next day. They will even give you envelopes to put money in. Most places you wouldn't dare do this because of the way people steal....

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    ME too...after 10 years, between the ebay crap and postage crap and the new tax laws...it is no longer any fun...nor is it profitable...[/quote]

    You are soooo right! All we do is make Ebay rich :([/quote]

    I pay over $300 a month....so tired of it....I never have nasty customers on Etsy,,,but on ebay...OY...

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    Jacquie, I haven't had problems with customers for the most part. It's the fees that make me nuts.
    And the new tax thing really did it for me.
    I don't use Etsy b/c of what I sell but it's a very nice site!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sueisallaboutquilts
    Jacquie, I haven't had problems with customers for the most part. It's the fees that make me nuts.
    And the new tax thing really did it for me.
    I don't use Etsy b/c of what I sell but it's a very nice site!
    I only use Etsy for my ultrasuede and some dying supplies,, but changing that this year!

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    I mailed two flat-rate envelopes at closing time Tuesday. The post office called me the next day to say the mail truck driver wouldn't accept them because they were about 1/2" thick. With the snow in the past two days, I haven't been able to pick them up and repackage them. Great service (NOT) and this postal clerk and I have been very friendly.

    So the time is come to quit using these flat-rate envelopes. In revenge, I'm packing the boxes to the max. I guess they'll bust me for that too! Perhaps it is time to close up shop!

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    They have told me before that u can't "tape" those flat rate envelope...supposed to be flat or the flap should be able to stick w/o a problem...therefore the term "flat rate"
    Well, i used the clasped envelope mostly and it is weighed which at most times is still cheaper that $4.95, but the envelope isn't strong like the flat rate ones either..
    To Do or Not to do ????

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    The post office makes me so mad at times, that I will go to UPS before mailing a package thru them. I know with UPS it will get there and it isn't 20 questions everytime I mail something like the Post Office. I mailed something to Canada one time and it never got there. There excuse was we don't have any control over it after it crosses the boarder. I mailed a package U.P.S and insured it and they had a problem with the address, and they called me from Canada, that is more than the P.O. will do.

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    FLAT rate is suppose to be for the price amount, not the shape...some postal workers don't get it.

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    Your right there.

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    I had half my FRE come back so far this year. All because they were over 3/4" thick. That thickness has always been the rule, they have just not started to enforce it until the beginning of this year. They are coming out with flat rate regional boxes, I think these are to make up for enforcing the 3/4" limit on the envelopes. I have already ordered the boxes and they should be here any day. The cost looks to be about the same as a FRE, but we will see when the boxes actually get here what can be stuffed into them. I did resend out the FRE that were returned to me (I always print out 2 labels) I just put them in new envelopes and slapped the label on it, and they did deliver them o.k.. And it wasn't the local post office that returned the FRE, it was the central office here in MI. that all the packages are routed through, so I guess it just depends on who is on duty and if they feel like making the effort to pull the envelope off the line and write all over it and send it back. Sometimes yes, sometimes no. (by the way, that "if it fits it ships, does not apply to the envelopes, only the boxes!). So, take your chances ladies, until the post office decides which rules they are going to enforce. The new rules, effective 1/2011 can be found here:
    http://pe.usps.com/cpim/ftp/manuals/dmm100/dmm100.pdf

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    Page 19 of that document - Flat Rate Quick Reference says....

    Note: Flat Rate prices are available when material is sent in a USPS-produced Flat Rate Envelope or Box. When sealing a Flat Rate Box or Flat Rate Envelope, the container flaps must be able to close within the normal folds.
    Tape may be applied to the flaps and seams to reinforce the container; provided the design of the container is not
    enlarged by opening the sides and the container is not reconstructed in any way.

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    On the padded FREs, there is no pre-established "normal" fold...so I'm sticking with those ones.

    The quick reference only states that you can't enlarge them by opening the sides of the container or reconstruct it in any way.

    It doesn't mention thickness.

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    I think it depends on the postal workers too. I always go to our small town one, the ladies there are so nice. The big cityone has oneman there who is NOT nice at all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by frugalfabrics
    Page 19 of that document - Flat Rate Quick Reference says....

    Note: Flat Rate prices are available when material is sent in a USPS-produced Flat Rate Envelope or Box. When sealing a Flat Rate Box or Flat Rate Envelope, the container flaps must be able to close within the normal folds.
    Tape may be applied to the flaps and seams to reinforce the container; provided the design of the container is not
    enlarged by opening the sides and the container is not reconstructed in any way.
    see this is what I have always been told. It has to maintain the original shape and integrity and the tape is just there to keep the lip from getting caught in the machines...or those stupid corners it makes...ugh...I wish the tyvek envelopes would have become the flat rate envelopes...so much easier to ship in those!

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    I'm with FrugalFabrics on this.

    I've been using the same passage from the DMM specs- go to section 1.5 (sorry for the long url):

    http://pe.usps.com/search/jsp/search...ec=56.0.145.56:9920&QueryParser=Simple&querytext=priority+%3Cand%3Eflat-rate%3Cor%3Eflat%3Cand%3Erate%3Cand%3E+envelope&dtype=2#hit0

    Nada about thickness. No matter where I look, I've never seen the 1/2" or 3/4" limit on FRE mentioned. On first class mailings, yes, but not Priority.

    It's very annoying. It's just like dealing with the TSA. :roll:

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    I did enjoy that link though and printed off some references...

    my Po gave me sheets about pricing(more like a book) I have my own scale, my own thickness board to measure etc...but then I ship 30-50 orders out a day! and yes, I go the PO for it all! I love my postal lady but she is allowed to smoke in the truck....I am NOT putting fabric in that truck...so I take it to the PO....

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    I'm not happy either, I went to two PO's in a day and they both said different things! SO I go to who allows me to be cheaper!This is just another thing, we don't have control over!!

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    My DH mailed one for me recently -- refused by one clerk, he went to another and it was accepted!

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    Ugh. This is why I drive a little farther to a post office where they're nice and helpful. It drives me insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nwm50
    They have told me before that u can't "tape" those flat rate envelope...supposed to be flat or the flap should be able to stick w/o a problem...therefore the term "flat rate"
    Well, i used the clasped envelope mostly and it is weighed which at most times is still cheaper that $4.95, but the envelope isn't strong like the flat rate ones either..
    To Do or Not to do ????
    Poly bags are a little more expensive, but they hold up better. You can get some good deals for them on Ebay

    Funny thing is, I check flat rate envelopes on the www.usps.com site- I don't see any size restrictions

    If I use a clasp envelope I tape up the sides and the tops and bottom seams - and remove the clasp (the clasp seeams to catch on the sorter machine

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    I get poly bags for less than 10 cents each on Ebay. Amazon has them too. Last time I bought paper "Card" size envelopes in WM they were 10 cents each.
    No way would I send fabric in a paper envelope unless it was very small, flat, charms.

    It is amazing how much misinformation is floating around the postal world - what a frustrating organization to deal with. This 3/4" rule is WRONG!
    I would recommend if your FRE's are refused for being over 3/4", FIGHT IT!! ask to speak to the supervisor, the postmaster, and if necessary talk to the regional customer service reps.
    Remember, never accept a "NO" from someone who does not have the power to say "YES".

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    Quote Originally Posted by apronlady
    I mailed two flat-rate envelopes at closing time Tuesday. The post office called me the next day to say the mail truck driver wouldn't accept them because they were about 1/2" thick. With the snow in the past two days, I haven't been able to pick them up and repackage them. Great service (NOT) and this postal clerk and I have been very friendly.

    So the time is come to quit using these flat-rate envelopes. In revenge, I'm packing the boxes to the max. I guess they'll bust me for that too! Perhaps it is time to close up shop!
    Suggestion, when you pick up your envelopes, as them to show you the rule - in writing -about how thick a flat rate envelope can be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptquilts
    Remember, never accept a "NO" from someone who does not have the power to say "YES".
    Absolutely! And amazing how it works most of the time. :thumbup:

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    I was in line at my local PO window one day. The lady in front of me was mailing something in one of those envelopes with the metal clasps. The PO worker waiting on her told her to never use the clasp envelopes to mail anything. She said they charge more postage for the clasp envelopes. She went on to say if you have an envelope with the clasp....just take some pliers or whatever & remove the clasp & it will save you a little on postage.

    If a postal worker seems to be giving you a hard time about something don't argue with them. Just ask to speak with their supervisor instead. You'll be surprised at how quickly their attitude changes when you do!

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