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    My 34 Year Old Daughter Who is a Nurse

    Both of her kids, 5 and 2, have a stomach virus. One has had a fever. She asked me to feel the 5 year old to see if I thought he had a fever. So I felt him and he felt fine. She asked me if I believed in determining a fever by touch and I said yes. She said she hadn't believed in it much. But she's working on her nurse practitioner degree and is doing clinicals with a cardiologist. She said he felt a patient and estimated the patient's fever to be 101.5, and it was. She was just amazed at this. She said back when the doctor went to school they had to rely on not having x-rays to determine pneumonia. What?? This doctor is my age 60, and I know that because I used to be friends with his ex-wife. She herself had pneumonia at 9 months. She asked me how they determined it and I told her x-ray. Do most young people this age think things were so archaic back in the 70s?

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    Thinking back to when I had my kids in the 70's compared to now. The hospital was archaic! My second born was thought to have a major problem that x rays showed. Bad bad problem. Ultrasound was brand new and only one hospital in the state had the machine. I had to travel there to get the ultrasound. It showed the baby was okay! But the old Drs. said they didn't believe in ultrasound and prepared me for the worst. Two wanted me to not have the child!! My DD was born healthy and I went through mental agony for four months and fighting the Drs and being told I was foolish, selfish, and ignorant, for believing in ultrasound when the x rays showed the problem.
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    I always used my cheek against the children's forehead to check for fever. If it felt warm then I double checked with the thermometer. Medicine has come so far so fast it is hard to keep up. It has also lost some valuable skills. When I was a child my family doctor took a swab of my throat to check for strep throat and ......he put it on the microscope and determined the germ type before giving medication right in the office!

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    Things have really changed!!!! I also felt the head for fever on my children.

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    He, he. my Doctor told me years ago that his new Echo cardiogram machine said I never had a prolapsed mitral valve in my heart. never! had it all my life, my mother and sister and my son and her son do to. I just said OK to him. How do you tell a Doctor anything? oh well. at least it wasn't a child he was diagnosing.

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    OMG. I remember the doctor coming to the house when my sister and I had a fever, and he gave us shots. House calls have gone the way of the dinosaur. (Now I feel like the dinosaur!)

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    When I was a child, I don't even think we had a thermometer! I'm old as dirt. ha. We didn't go to the Dr. He drove 10 miles to us. when the river had us so we couldn't get out to get to a Dr. I was taken out on a railroad car. Loved it!

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    I wonder what the doctors would rely on now if all the electric was off and no way to get it back on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tartan View Post
    I always used my cheek against the children's forehead to check for fever.
    My husband still does this to me. Especially when I am not feeling well
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    I check the back of the neck.

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    Anyone that thinks the good old days were so great doesn't remember how they really were. I would never want to go back to the days of my childhood or want my grands to live that way either.
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    Nothing beats the intuition of a mother, nothing. And the best doctors, the most efficient and well trained ones, know this and rely on it. If, when I was a younger mom, I had a doc who didn't 'get this', we weren't their patient very long! And now my daughter is one of those "great" doctors; a pediatrician who is absolutely adored by her patients and their parents. And she's 33 and uses alternative medicine when it's available and useful.

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    A mix of both is good. My son has muscular dystrophy and I know exactly which exons on the X chromosome are deleted. He was diagnosed 3-4 years earlier than most boys because I noticed a mildly awkward gait (mothers intuition). They are working on cures at the genetic level. That would not have been possible 10 years ago. To all those who have ever donated to muscular dystrophy association or any other related charity...THANK YOU and treatment is improving by leaps and bounds!

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    I always check with my hand before even thinking of getting out the thermometer. I had to get a pharmacy to order in good old fashioned under the tongue thermometers for me, all they had were battery powered ones. I am lucky that we get so few fevers in my house that the batteries were always dead when I needed it.

    I am happy with modern medicine. My mum recently had cataract surgery on both her eyes, that has not been around for all that long.

    I also work for 2 alternative health practitioners and see a place for them in keeping ourselves as healthy was we can be.
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    I too subscribe to a mix of old and new. Some doctors are extremely good diagnosticians. My husband and son both see a doctor who never gets it wrong (and the further testing proves him right). The majority of mothers and quite a number of dads also know their kids so well....when they say somethings not right...they are to be believed. It still baffles me when I read of cases where a person/child has been presented at an emergency room, patted on the head, sent home and ends up deceased because someone either couldn't be bothered or is not well-trained enough to spot a serious problem. We have one regional hospital here with that problem....3 deaths occurred which should not have happened. That being said...without modern medicine I would not be alive today...Placenta praevia with my first son and later Systemic Lupus and a dicky ticker. My thanks and admiration to all medical practicioners, scientists and researchers.

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    These days you just need a smart phone to keep track of your heart and other medical probs - saw it on YouTube.

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    This makes my blood boil!! Who do those doctor's think they are....GOD???? And how many weak women caved??? What did they have to say when she was born without the problem???

    Quote Originally Posted by BellaBoo View Post
    Thinking back to when I had my kids in the 70's compared to now. The hospital was archaic! My second born was thought to have a major problem that x rays showed. Bad bad problem. Ultrasound was brand new and only one hospital in the state had the machine. I had to travel there to get the ultrasound. It showed the baby was okay! But the old Drs. said they didn't believe in ultrasound and prepared me for the worst. Two wanted me to not have the child!! My DD was born healthy and I went through mental agony for four months and fighting the Drs and being told I was foolish, selfish, and ignorant, for believing in ultrasound when the x rays showed the problem.

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    I also use the "touch method" for testing temperature. Then, if the person feels warm, the thermometer comes out to verify. I used this for my kids, husband, students, and now, my mom.
    Medical help is only as good as the person diagnosing/treating. All the fancy machines in the world can't make up for a lousy diagnostician. IMHO (And I should know...my FIL was a GP)
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    I had a friend who said there is a reason it is called a medical practice. "Practice" being the operative word.

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    I feel with my cheek to the forehead......can tell everytime if they have a high temp.
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    All the intuition in the world and the best medicine in the world won't help many of us if the rules governing medical care change and the price goes beyond our ability to pay. We have already had many of our doctors stop their practices this year in the two cities closest to us and many more are no longer taking new medicare patients. I just read an article where there is a growing shortage of medical students applying at the medical schools. Medical insurance for a family of four is estimated to cost over $20,000 per year in another 7 years. Our GP office visits have gone up $100 per visit in the last 15 months and they are in line with other doctors costs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Diana View Post
    I feel with my cheek to the forehead......can tell everytime if they have a high temp.
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    yep, me too. Sometimes by just looking at them.

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    Now,folks...let's not say too many bad things about doctors. I happen to be one...and I am also a nut- case quilter. Being a physician is a very scary responsibility( can't just frog a seam,if work doesn't go we'll,you know). In my experience,most docs try to do their thing as well as they are able,but you do recall what they call the folks that graduate last in the med school class?( Doctor). Docs are very human; we aren't perfect,we do the best we can with hard problems to fix,too little sleep,much time away from our families etc etc. being a quilter helps me at work...I am known for my fine stitching on facial boo boos! Francie
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prism99 View Post
    OMG. I remember the doctor coming to the house when my sister and I had a fever, and he gave us shots. House calls have gone the way of the dinosaur. (Now I feel like the dinosaur!)

    Yep, when my Mom, brother and me has strep throat, came right out!!
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    We have already reached this point in NY. High deductable ($1000 deductable with pt. paying 20% of the remainder.) was $18,000 in 2012 for TWO people!!!! $1550 a MONTH.

    For example; In 2011 we paid $1381 every month. I had surgery on my thumb and MY share , $1000 deductable, plus 20% of the remainder was $3000 (YES, on top of the $1381 we paid every month).

    We can not afford these rates now, so we have the highest deductable, $11,000 for $703 a month. Unless we have a serious accident or cancer, heart attack, etc we get nothing for our $703. Doctor visits are $90, we pay for everything else too. My drugs are about $300 a month.

    My husband's firm employs 7 people, and I certainly understand that his boss cannot pay for our health care coverage. Some of this is tax deductable, but THIS year our share has gone UP to the first 10%, where is has been 7% for years. Talk about our government putting the screws to us!!!!!

    Adding to our angst is the fact that so so many get their care paid for by the taxpayers, US, either because of the burgeoning size of our government, or through Medicaid and Child Health Plus, Healthy Families, etc. WE pay yet we go without. If we don't pay we will be thrown in jail and/or have our house taken away from us. Welcome to the American middle class!!!

    Let me add that NEITHER party has the right answers at this time, and MOST people don't know how bad the problem really is because they don't pay for their insurance.


    Quote Originally Posted by TanyaL View Post
    All the intuition in the world and the best medicine in the world won't help many of us if the rules governing medical care change and the price goes beyond our ability to pay. We have already had many of our doctors stop their practices this year in the two cities closest to us and many more are no longer taking new medicare patients. I just read an article where there is a growing shortage of medical students applying at the medical schools. Medical insurance for a family of four is estimated to cost over $20,000 per year in another 7 years. Our GP office visits have gone up $100 per visit in the last 15 months and they are in line with other doctors costs.

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