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mireelmar 04-28-2009 11:27 AM

Everytime I go somewhere with the baby, people give me dirty looks. Most of the time they are older women, but I can understand they come from a different time where women had babies when they were older and married.
Justin and I aren't married. We plan to get married, but neither of us are ready for a ceremony. I know that sounds strange... I'm ready to be married, but I want to just go to the courthouse and get the paper signed... I'm not real big on the whole idea of a ceremony.

Anyway, the reason for my rant is this: I went to Target the other day with the baby and a friend. We were walking around, joking around and having fun. Rylynn is just learning how to sit up on her own so instead of bringing the whole carseat into the store, we put her in the cart. Well her little muscles aren't exactly strong enough to sit for long periods of time, and she hadn't had a nap yet that day so sitting was tiring for her. I look over at her and she's slumping over. She's falling asleep. This older lady walks by and TRIED TO TAKE HER OUT OF THE CART. She claimed I was being negligent and shouldn't have a baby her age in just the cart. I sluffed her off, took her out of the cart, and gave her to my friend so that I could push the cart up to the register. Personally, my goal was to tire her out so that she would take a nap, but by all means I did not mean for her to fall asleep in the cart. She was cranky, likes to shop, and eventually it will put her to sleep. It wasn't a long trip, and I was buying her some sleepers... Anyway, so the lady follows us up to the counter making comments as she's walking behind us. Saying things to her friend like "I should report her" "that poor child" "Babies shouldn't have babies" "she's not even married" things like that. Eventually I couldn't take it anymore and turned to her and said "I may be young, but that doesn't mean that my daughter isn't my whole world and I don't do anything to care for her. She fell asleep, I picked her up. Babies fall asleep!" She guffawed and walked away.

We paid, left, and put her in the carseat. She was happily sucking her thumb and passed out in the carseat. My friend wanted to smoke a cigarette and I don't smoke in the car with the baby in there so I turned the air on, let the car cool off, and closed the door. Standing by the car smoking a cigarette, this freaking lady comes back and starts telling me she is going to call the cops because I am leaving my child in a hot car and that I care more about polluting my lungs than getting her home and putting her to bed. I asked her if she would rather me pollute my child's lungs and smoke in the car and she said "well I doubt you quit when you were pregnant so it wouldn't make much difference" and walked away. As we are finishing up, a cop comes through the parking lot. He stops, tells me someone reported a child in a car (it's a big thing her in AZ, kids die all the time because of stupid people leaving their kids in a car when it's 90 degrees out) and I explained to him that I have the air on, it's cool in the car and she's sleeping. It's not like she was screaming and crying because she was in there by herself. She was passed out! So the cop tells me to go home and that he didn't see anything wrong with it...

Needless to say, I'm kind of peeved about it. I know I'm only 21, but way back in the day, I would be an old maid for waiting so long to have children! I stay home with her, Justin makes enough money to support us comfortably, so what is the problem? Am I irresponsible for leaving her in the car while I smoke? If it's a short drive home, I will wait and have one when I get home. But if it's a long drive and she's not crying, I will smoke outside my car.

Please give me some advice here. I just want to know what you think and if I'm doing something wrong...

Sorry for such a long post...

kluedesigns 04-28-2009 11:46 AM

i'm sure your not a stupid lady and you know all the health risk associated with smoking.

as a woman who lost her mother to smoking i strongly encourage you to quit now for your daughters sake.

if you love her and wish to see her get married and have children you'll stop smoking.

i watched my mother smother to death because smoking robbed her of the ability to breath.

she was to sick to come to my wedding and she didn't live long enough to see her grandchildren.

you're young but that doesn't mean your don't know what you're doing is wrong.


mochasue 04-28-2009 11:46 AM

That's a tough one. I will be completely honest with you. I never like to see anyone smoke when they have children. Even if they smoke outside, not around the child. It is on your clothes, in your hair, on your breath, etc. The child smells it. I would do all I could to stop smoking. (but, I'm not a smoker either, so that's easy for me to say) I smell it and I can't stand it, so I imagine the baby smells it also and they are snuggled up next to you. :cry: Sorry.

But....it is none of that woman's business to go about it the way she did. She could have said something to you in a much nicer way. IF, she thought you were too young and needed advice. Like, oh you might want to pick your beautiful sleepy baby up she's falling asleep in the cart.

My sister was 17 when she had her first child and by the time she was 21 she had 3 kids. Imagine all the "help" she got from little old ladies. It used to drive her nuts. (she was married, but nobody knew that)

Don't beat yourself up over it. You sound like you are doing a good job and thinking about the comfort of your daughter first! That is what is important.

I hope I don't come across too harsh. I never had children, but I was around my sister alot and she had 5 kids. They are all grown now and doing great.

Knot Sew 04-28-2009 11:48 AM

I forgot how hard it is being a young mother, I was 18. She was probably one of those people who can tell everyone how to take care of their kids and doesn't have any. I have known women who were lousy mothers, the kids survived, and they give advise also.
Ignore these people or just say bite me. I smoked and had a few drinks when i was pregnant...my kids are fine. I'm now 63..my advice is don't listen. Big Hug :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

Try to give up the cigs now, after 20 yrs or more it gets real hard, and it does make you smell, and the worst...wrinkles

Sanveann 04-28-2009 12:05 PM

My mom was 22 and unmarried when she had me, and I managed to turn out OK ;)

I waited till I was 30 to have my first, because it took me a long time to meet the right guy (and because I was SO not ready to be a mom in my early 20s!), but I have nothing but respect for young mothers. I mean, it's not as if you're taking the easy way out of this ... you had your baby and are loving her and caring for her! You could have had an abortion and not had to deal with nosy old women following you around and tut-tutting.

Btw, I do agree with the other ladies ... PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE try to stop smoking, for your beautiful little girl's sake. My mom is now 55 years old and smokes a pack a day -- has since she was 17. Neither she nor my dad have ANY desire to stop smoking, and it kills me. My mom told me once she probably wouldn't quit even if she got lung cancer, and it breaks my heart that cigarettes are more important to her than me and my sons are :(

mireelmar 04-28-2009 12:49 PM

I am trying to quit smoking, it's just really hard. Once I had the baby and was around my mom and Justin smoking, it was really hard to not start up again. I do plan on not smoking when she is old enough to be playing outside, and that's coming up here in a few months.

But I do want to say that I know it's in my hair, but I do wash my hands before picking her up after smoking, I wear a shirt to smoke and take it off again before holding her, and I try to put a mint in my mouth or gum afterwards as well.

Thank you everyone :)

leona07 04-28-2009 12:49 PM

In my opinion you did the right thing. Nothing wrong was done. It is very smart for someone who smokes to smoke away from the children. Yes, they can smell it on you, and it's bad for your own health, but you are smoking away from your child so that is the right thing to do in this situation!! Many people need to realize that smoking is an addiction and is not easy for all people to quit. I smoked for a year and quit one day just because, and I had no problem, but others struggle for years. I suggest you try to quit, but know that if you struggle at it, or slip up, it is okay, you'll get their eventually. You very obviously love your daughter, and she knows it, and that is all that matters!

And on the note of marriage. Everyone must do what is right for them. It is not anyone's business how you live your life! My partner (sounds better than boyfriend) and I have been together six years. I have no desire to ever marry, but I do want to be with him the rest of my life. He doesn't want to marry either, but he has told me he would if I changed my mind. He is 33, and I am 26. He has two daughters from a previous relationship. So when we are out with them I always get comments and glaring looks because I am young and they assume the girls are mine. (the girls are 10 and 12). Although it is annoying, I could care less what they think. There are plenty of super young mothers out there that are the best parents. Married, older couples are not perfect either. It has nothing to do with age or marital status!! I has to do with your maturity, and your heart!!

I wish you all the best!!!


Tink's Mom 04-28-2009 12:51 PM

Hey, I'm quite sure that you are a good Mom!!! I was 21 when I had my oldest son, (he's 31 now) and I did the best I could to raise him to be a good person, just as you are doing with your little one.
My husband has always smoked, now the 2 boys also smoke. Smoking isn't allowed in my house because I have asthma, plus I make & sell baby items, and nobody wants to buy things that smell from smoke.
It's none of my business if you smoke, BUT, think of all the extra things you could buy for the little one with the money saved by not smoking???? Or save for a trip to Disney in a couple years!!!
Ignore the old bat, and me too if you like! Susie

patricej 04-28-2009 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by mireelmar
Please give me some advice here. I just want to know what you think and if I'm doing something wrong...

Sorry for such a long post...

i wasn't there so i'm not even going to try forming an opinion about whether or not you were doing anything wrong. i can only say that it doesn't sound to me as though you were in any way negligent.

i'm also not going to harrass you about smoking. we gassers get more than enough of that, don't we? drunks, junkies, hookers and pedophiles get more sympathy and respect. :roll:

my hope for you is that somebody in your life figures out soon that the way to help you quit (so you save money, smell better and feel better) is not to nag or criticize, but to help you with kindness, understanding and support once you make up your own mind to battle the habit.

a friend of mine invested in the shot described at this website. she says it's working for her. i plan to give it a try as soon as i've saved up. that way, i can still go even if my insurance won't cover it.

http://www.quitdoc.com/patient/price.html

when somebody starts kvetching about your habit, pull out a donation can so they can drop in some cash to get you closer. :wink:

in the meantime, as long as you to continue taking all possible steps to keep it away from baby, as well as from friends and family who don't share the habit, it's nobody's business but your own.


Maribeth 04-28-2009 01:32 PM

Smoking is an addiction and harder to stop than heroin. That is why we try to keep kids from starting to smoke. You do your best, know the facts, and when you are ready you will find the will power to quit. I feel so bad for smokers, they basically are left to stand next to the trash in the rain if they need a smoke. I come from a family of smokers, but I have never smoked, I overeat. I am allowed to overeat wherever and whenever I want. I can even overeat while holding a baby. It is an addiction that I do my best to deal with.

You sound like a good mom, you are doing your best and as I always tell my nieces and nephews have your children when you are young. I waited, found and married the right guy and bought the three bedroom home, but you know what - I waited too long and after seven years and losing five tiny babies I gave up. Not posting this for pity - I have a great life with a wonderful husband and three adorable cats, oh and 14 nieces and nephews and nine grand nieces and nephews. I just want you to understand that you did nothing wrong, that woman was probably just having a bad day and wanted to make someone else as unhappy as she is.

So, "God Love Ya'" as my Nana would say and "You do the best you can." Take Care, Maribeth

littlehud 04-28-2009 01:45 PM

My DD smokes. She does it outside and never around my DGD. DD was never married and DGD was a surprise. Never call her a mistake!!!! DD and I agree on this, she is a gift. DD had lived with my DGD dad for 7 years and when she had a baby he was not able to cope with it. She moved in with me. Dad has always paid child support and is a loving dad at this point. My daughter is a wonderful mom and puts my grand daughter ahead of everything else. DGD knows she is loved by many people and is well adjusted. Don't let any one who does not know your whole story judge you. Keep doing what you are doing and live with the knowledge you are doing what is best for your child.

BellaBoo 04-28-2009 02:29 PM

You are young, you will make mistakes that you won't even realize until you are much older. You see a nosy know it all finding fault with what you do, but the lady has a point. Your decisions that day were not the best for the baby. Instead of being defensive stop and think why someone would bring it to your attention. :wink:

Chele 04-28-2009 02:44 PM

Politely ignore people and continue to do what is best for you and your family. Don't let the cranks bring you down. You're the mom now, so you are learning the rewarding process of raising a child and having a family. The lady probably has nothing better to do than find fault and issue accusations. Too bad for her.

Sanveann 04-28-2009 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by BellaBoo
You are young, you will make mistakes that you won't even realize until you are much older. You see a nosy know it all finding fault with what you do, but the lady has a point. Your decisions that day were not the best for the baby. Instead of being defensive stop and think why someone would bring it to your attention. :wink:

I don't see what she did wrong in the slightest. Her kid fell asleep in the shopping cart ... not ideal, but there's not much you can do to keep a sleeping kid from slumping over. And it certainly doesn't justify this woman's efforts to TAKE her baby out of the cart!

And personally, I think it was great that she chose to smoke outside of the (air-conditioned) car. I wish my parents had thought as much about my health when they smoked -- they never thought twice about smoking while I was in the car.

Moonpi 04-28-2009 03:26 PM

Another reason why I never had kids - I would have stopped the biddy in her tracks by screaming "She's trying to kidnap Junior!!! Help!!!" and let her deal with the consequences of her self-righteousness.

As to the smoking, It has been years smokefree for me, and I still get cravings. It will never get easier to quit than it is now, when it hasn't become part of your self-image, and a major coping skill. But, you need to do it for yoursellf, noone else. When the time is right, it''ll happen.

MadQuilter 04-28-2009 03:30 PM

I know I would have a few comebacks for next time (and I have a feeling like there might be a next time.)

"Better a young unwed mother than a cranky old bitty." (Gotta keep it clean, you know.)

When my mom was 21, I was 3 and the moral police wagged their tongues.

Just smile, enjoy that baby, and have fun.

sewjoyce 04-28-2009 03:51 PM

I don't see that you did anything wrong -- keep up the good work :D

And I'm not going to criticize your smoking. When you are ready to quit, you will!

tlrnhi 04-28-2009 03:56 PM


Originally Posted by Moonpi
Another reason why I never had kids - I would have stopped the biddy in her tracks by screaming "She's trying to kidnap Junior!!! Help!!!" and let her deal with the consequences of her self-righteousness.

Oh, I'm right there with you Moon. If ANYONE that I did not know layed a hand on my child, I'd be screaming bloody murder!
You don't touch another person's child without permission UNLESS that child is in eminant danger!

I'd just ignore the woman. There are many, many people out there that think they can do a better job than others at raising children, but they themselves have no clue.
Kids don't come with an instruction manual and from what I have read that you have posted, you are doing a great job. Ignore the ignorant biddies. OR, just politely say Thank you to them and walk away.

peaceandjoy 04-28-2009 03:58 PM

Moonpi and Madquilter have the BEST advice.

I have to agree with the others on quitting the smoking. It is an addiction, and as such, it's going to be hard. Just remind yourself how much harder it is for a child to lose a parent, or watch them go through debilitating illness. Remind Justin, too...

Honestly, my first reaction was that you well could have reported her for attempted kidnapping. A child who is attended, but has fallen asleep, is not in any emergent danger - which would be the only time a stranger has any right to touch them.

And, remember that none of us are perfect. Sooner or later, we all do something that we regret - parents, too. Rather than thinking perfection is the only acceptable state, which will only drive you crazy (as it would any of us), focus on the things you do right, that you do well, and try to improve when you realize something wasn't right.

Maybe the grumpy old lady is hyper sensitive because she never had children that she wanted. Maybe she lost somebody to cancer caused by smoking. Maybe her mother spent a lot of time sick. Maybe she just likes to be miserable. Don't let her spoil what was a nice outing with your friend and the child that you love.

mommaB 04-28-2009 04:02 PM

Legally married or not isn't a concern, commitment and compassion matter so much more :D

I'm proud of you for smoking outside the car. You did it right. I'm a granny now and ex smoker. I wish I could say I did the same for my kids :cry: My son does not smoke in the car when his daughter is with him, and he doesn't allow anyone to smoke in the house either. The baby's mom doesn't either. I won't lecture you for smoking, but I do hope you can quit one day.

You're a good mom, trust your instincts, and ignore the idiots in this world!!

Rhonda 04-28-2009 07:56 PM


My first thought was I would be screaming at her to get her hands off my child! The issue is not the smoking here it is that you handled your child as any responsible mother would. I have grandkids that have gone to sleep in the cart lots of times! It is just life when you have kids. I take a small blanket with me and lay them in the cart when they fall asleep and put my groceries around them sometimes.
I never shopped much with mine when they were little they stayed in the car with their dad alot of the time. But when I was 23 I had 3 under the age of 3. 21 is not that young to have a child.
The lady was way out of line in harrassing you. She is entitled to her opinion but she is not entitled to take your child out of the cart!!!
You should have complained to the manager that she was threatening your child. I would have! A little one bobbing her head while asleep in a cart is no crime and it is not that bad for the child. I have seen mine bob their head the same way in a carseat! Yes it bothers me but sometimes you can't help it.
As for the car you were right there you were not miles away or leaving her in the car while you went and shopped or worse!

Hang in there! There are always people willing to tell you how to live your life!! Just ignore them! They need to clean up their own problems before they try to tell you what's wrong with you!

You are doing a good job with your daughter from the sounds of it so use your own judgement and you will be fine!

kacie 04-28-2009 08:28 PM

I've found that the best way to handle pesky strangers giving advice is to not engage them in conversation or argument of any kind. Simply say "thank you for your concern" and repeat that statement every time they say something. You do not owe strange people any kind of explanation, and if they're looking for a fight, they become very frustrated if you don't fight back. Keep yourself on the high road.

amma 04-28-2009 08:30 PM

Hon, 25+ years ago I have had women come up to me and threaten to turn me in for daring to swat my childs behind for misbehaving and slapping their hands and one actually did turn me in! Believe me, they were not hurt, but were in need of discipline when talking was not doing any good. CPS showed up about 2 hours after we got home and were not happy to have been called out on a blatant false claim. She must have followed me home to get my address :roll: I had one mother threaten to turn me in when my 3yr old threw herself on the floor of the grocery store and had one BIG whopping fit... and I layed down beside her and threw one too!! She said that I was abusing my daughter by embarrasing her in public :roll: I just told her to do what she needed to do.... Another time we were at a park and I surprised my kids with a planned food fight, (they had been talking about how fun that would be) I grabbed a handful of food and started throwing it... she did not see they were laughing, all she heard across the park was the yelling and carrying on... the police showed up as we were cleaning it all up and they went back to tell her there were laws against making false claims :roll: Even now with the grandkids, I have been the receiver of those "looks" when I threaten to spank their butts when we are out in public or actually do it... There are many people out there who stick their noses where they do not belong! Life is easier if you can just let it roll off of your shoulders and not let it get to you :wink: :wink: :wink:

pittsburgpam 04-28-2009 10:03 PM

I haven't read all the replies yet but I was also a young mother. Though I was married at 18 I had 3 children by the age of 23. My first thought about some stranger trying to pick up my child out of a shopping cart is "you dare!?!?" She would have got the sharp side of my tongue for presuming to touch my child let alone to lecture me.

How can anyone think that 21 is too young AND to assume that you aren't married???

Just carry yourself with dignity and assurance and don't let them get to you.

Barb M 04-28-2009 10:20 PM

I do understand what you mean hon. I was a mom at 19, yes i was married, but now a days, being married or not should not be a stigma. But i do know what you mean. I was forever feeling that i had to prove to all the older moms that i was just as good a mom as them. I always felt i had to try twice as hard to prove i was a good mom, and i did put twice as much into my kids as they did. The fact that you are concerned about this tells me one thing, that you are a very good and caring mom, and that you too will prob put twice as much into your little baby than some of those old bitties put into their kids. Give yourself a thumbs up, and don't worry about it. In the end, you know that you're a good mom. Many people smoke, so i wont say anything about that, other than you did it the right way, your turned the A/C on, and your baby was safe and comfortable (((hugs)))

Quilt4u 04-29-2009 02:37 AM

I got married at 19 and had my DD at 21. As for that women. What was she out of her mind.You don't go picking up an other person's child when the mother is right there. I would have called the ploice on her.

reneebobby 04-29-2009 04:26 AM

Oh man that lady is a (well you know what) I was 19 when i had my daughter. This was surely one rude lady. Who cares if you are married or not, as long as the child is being loved by two parents. Now if it was me (smart butt and all) I would have told her, your are right I'm not married but my daughter was concieved out of love and she has two loving parents unlike many children today, and with her saying i should (which she did) call the cops. Again (smart butt me, which I have done) I would tell her hold on while I dial and I'll report MYSELF and then you for harassment.

As for smoking I'm a smoker we all know how bad it is but it's an ADDICTION people seem to forget (mostly the ones who have quit)
Just love your daughter and enjoy her.

okie3 04-29-2009 05:07 AM

mireelmar,
when I read your post I just did a big burn. You were seeing to your child.
The woman had no right to interfear with you. It was none of her business.
You were not exposing your baby to smoke, made sure she was kept cool enough and heck, kids go to sleep in shopping carts all the time.
Yes you should probably stop smoking but I should too. I'm a grandmother and don't like to expose my grandkids to smoke. I keep a can of Fbrezze or some other type of fabric deoderizer with me and spray myself down good with it. Or make sure I have cloths sealed in space bags with me to change clothes. I did this while they were babies up until they were around 5 or 6. I still carry the fabric stuff around with me. I've got to where I'm pretty concisous of the smoke smell and we don't smoke in our house.
You were better than I would have been. I would have told her to put it where the sun don't shine.Connie

LindaR 04-29-2009 05:13 AM

you and your friend was having too much fun for that lady LOL....I smoked thru 3 pregnancies and finally at 60 had to quit and it was sooo hard...not an easy thing to do. I came up with cancer at 65 and asked the doctor if smoking contributed to the cancer and He said what do you think...well that told me how stupid I was. btw, 21 is not young to have your first child. Keep up the good work

carrieg 04-29-2009 05:34 AM


Originally Posted by kacie
I've found that the best way to handle pesky strangers giving advice is to not engage them in conversation or argument of any kind. Simply say "thank you for your concern" and repeat that statement every time they say something. You do not owe strange people any kind of explanation, and if they're looking for a fight, they become very frustrated if you don't fight back. Keep yourself on the high road.

Excellent advice here!

Remember, too, all the babies who do need help and the nosy people who help them. Also, as we get older, all you 20-somethings look younger and younger to us!

kwhite 04-29-2009 05:44 AM

I cannot add any advice to all of the wonderful advice you have already been given, so I will simply tell you a short story. I am your child in 48 years. I am the product of unwed parents who smoked. I had a good home for the most part. Going to school smelling like smoke though was a source of embarrasment for me my whole life. When I was 8 we learned of the dangers of smoking in school and I came home crying begging my mom to stop smoking. She did.......... 30 years later right before they removed her lung from lung cancer. My 13 year old had to be a caregiver for my mom for the last 10 months of her life as she layed dieing of the cancer in my home. She told me over and over in those last months that she wishes that she would have listened to me when I was 8. You may think it does not effect your daughter since it is your habit. It does!!! and will for the rest of her life. You sound like you love your daughter. Love her enought to quit smoking for her. You gave birth, you can quit. Us women are the strongest people on earth. You can do this. Good luck.

barnbum 04-29-2009 09:17 AM

I teach 5th grade--where DARE is taught. (Drug Abuse Resistance Education) When the officer shows the photos--very very graphic photos--of what happens to those who smoke, the kids are stunned. Some can't look. Other cry for the ones they love who do smoke, mostly parents and grandparents. A few cry in class. It's a hard hour for them.

As a teacher--I can even smell the smoke on the homework papers.

Please quit. Just do it.

Jim's Gem 04-29-2009 09:30 AM

I was married at 19 and had my first at 21 as well. You are not too young!!! Smoking is not good for either of you, but you have heard that enough. Just love your daughter and spend time with her, play with her, and discipline and teach her as needed. They grow up way, way too fast!!!

signitwright 04-29-2009 10:33 AM

Honey, some people have no life of their own, and /or way too much extra time . Like at least one of the other ladies said, that woman probably has no kids of her own. Or maybe she has some miserable kids :twisted: :twisted: . I am sure you are a wonderful, loving mom. Weather or not you are married is nobody's business, but yours. Please give that little cutie a big hug from me :D :D

Pam W.

QuiltMania 04-29-2009 04:42 PM

You did absolutely nothing wrong in the store. I would advise you to bring along a small quilt for next time to put in the cart with your daughter because shopping carts can be very germy and disgusting. (Think of all those strange hands touching the cart before you got it.) Regarding the marriage -- yes, you and Justin should go down to city hall and get married. It only takes a little while and it offers you a lot of legal protection in the future if things should not work out between you two. A lot of people believe that you need to have some huge elaborate wedding ceremony but that isn't the case. Regarding the smoking -- making sure that your baby was in the air conditioning was a good move. However, you and Justin both should try to quit smoking for your daughter's sake as well as for your own. Even if you don't smoke around her and change your clothes, those toxins are still on your person. Additionally, children of smokers are at greater risk for developing childhood asthma.

Just my two cents worth of advice since you asked.

Finally, don't let people like that woman at the store get you down. There will always be people who gain pleasure from sticking their noses into the business of other people.

littlehud 04-29-2009 07:08 PM

In regard to the marriage issue. Please make sure you protect yourself by either getting married or having legal papers to protect you. I worked with a young lady what had a wonderful 10 year relationship with a great guy. They saw no reason to get married and in reality were just as committed as any married couple. They bought a house, but the loan was in his name. Both made the payments and together did many home improvements. He passed away unexpectedly at 36. No will. His dad stepped in and took the house. She lost the man she loved and her home in a matter of a few weeks. Protect yourself. A will would have made all the difference here.

kluedesigns 04-29-2009 07:12 PM

what a tragic story - i'm sure the son never expected his family to treat his love that way.

a will is very sound advice.

mireelmar 04-30-2009 07:41 AM

Thank you everyone for all of your advice. In regards to what eveyone has said about smoking, I just want to clear up that I don't smoke around her, ever. Not in the house, not in the car, not even when we are outside where the wind is blowing. I smelled like smoke too when I was in school and my parents stopped smoking in the house. I remember telling my parents the same thing when I was 7 or 8 and showing them pictures and trying to get them to quit. I understand all the risks. I am trying to quit, it's just very difficult. People without the addiction don't understand. People that used to, don't get it anymore either.

Also, I do use a shopping cart cover that they make specifically for babies in shopping carts :).

Thank you all again for your advice. Next time, I will tell whoever it is that they can go fly a kite for all I care. :)

studio-christine 05-15-2009 12:14 AM

from your post's title, I thought you were going to say that you were 14 or 15......

I'm 43, and waiting to be asked if I am Bobbi's nanna (my youngest, a girl is 2)

and I have a 4 year old curled up asleep on the hallway floor.......

there is a strap thing (fabric) that you can buy in Australia, it velcroes around the baby's waist and holds them up if they fall asleep in the shopping trolley

and congratulations for not smoking in the car :D

I didn't quit smoking until I was 5 months pregnant with #4

.......and my 20 year old daughter had to cnvince people she worked with that the kids I took to her work were siblings, not HER children

nosey women should keep their opinions to themselves........


elliemay 05-15-2009 03:59 AM

Just to add to all the great advice you have already had.

It is quite rare in this part of the world to see married parents.. very rare.. personaly I think marriage is probably ' out of date' !! but each to their own.. one of my daughters age 40 has never married. she has had 2 partners and had her daughter with the present one.. I have often expressed my fears about making it ' legal' for her and Holly's sake. should anything happen to Tony.. but I think a lot of the reason for not being married is the expense... I feel for any couple right now trying to get a place to live.. and save to get married.. its not easy these days.

I do Volunteer work for an organisation.. we help young parents trying to bring up children..on benefits.. poor housing conditions , child abuse.. partner abuse.. we offer practical support to these families.... without judgment....totally confidentail at all times...

All of us, when out, see parents with children.... and, at times see behaviour that we ourselves would consider wrong... I know myself I have been in the supermarket and seen mothers getting really angry with out of control kids, that are screaming and throwing tantrums to get their own way, and it does go through my mind... ' my kids were never like that '

We all bring up our children to the best of our ability and hope we get it right...there always someone who will disagree with how we do it... and I am sure we could have a great post on here about that!!!

My kids tell me they all had a wonderful childhood, and many of the things we did when they were small have been adopted by my daughters,, they have always come to me for advice when the babies arrived ( even at the small hours, phoning me ask ' why is he/she still crying mum?')

Do what you think is right with your daughter.... make the decisions you feel are right... but at the same time enjoy her.. time passes so quickly and before you know it.. she will be at school and making her own decisions.. with your guidance and protection to take her into adulthood.

You have read all the advice regarding your smoking. I am a smoker but... having 5 grandchildren.. who have never yet seen me smoke....I am very concientous around others and their opinions...we live in a Bungalow and only have 5 rooms.. I only smoke in the kitchen.. the back door is always open.. even in Winter

Dont let the opinions of others get you down. forget it and move forward, there will always be someone that tells you your doing it wrong!!!! most likely one who has not had children!!!!


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