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    thank you ... thank you very much ... but i'd prefer to ROCK.

    we don't need no stinkin' RULEs.

    LOL LOL LOL
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    too funny!!

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    I've been really interested in the copy right issue because my sister and i have been trying to sell items we make including afghans, quilts, totebags and so forth. Much of the time we just start sewing and see where it takes us but we also enjoy using other people's ideas and patterns. When I see something I like and admire I ask the designer if I can use it and offer to include their name and a link to their website with the item listing. I haven't been turned down yet. It's a plus for both. :) If I can't find any mention of whether it is copyrighted and use is prohibited what I do is what I would do in any case...I attribute the design to the designer. I do not want to take credit for someone's hard work. I have also pulled items from our website when I found out later on that something I made and listed was in fact not allowed to be used. Those are items I will use myself or give as christmas gifts - and won't spend my time making again.

    The way I feel about it is that we should all work together to try and keep those "lost arts" alive and well. I want credit for the work I put in to it making the item but am very happy to give credit where credit is due!

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    I agree!!
    Virginia

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    I like your pot holders, hmmmm let me think........I invented the 9 patch. If you truly believe, I'll show you my bridge and sell some stock maybe. LOL :wink:

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    I'm researching this issue now! I was looking into it because I am selling quilts. I want to do it correctly! I had no idea I was not supposed to sell quilts I made from a pattern I purchased. That stinks! Although I understand why better now.

    I created a pattern and I assumed folks would see it in a shop where I was selling quilts and copy it--I didn't think I'd ever be able to prevent that. I didn't really care.

    I think I'll have to stick to traditional designs, if I don't want to try to create my own. I'll use the public domain ones for any sale items. And I feel I should email the creater of the table runners to get permission to sell those.

    Since I'm at a place where I don't make anything I might not consider selling, I don't need to buy any new patterns--ever.

    Gee, the Civil War ones must be okay. :lol:

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    Does this apply to quilting patterns quilters buy? Are they to just use the patterns on their own quilts? And not on any they are getting paid to do?
    What a mess it could all be.

    Edited to add: And what about all the log cabin books of variations--such as just making the light side skinner so it makes a circle? Surely that is still under public domain...

    I think I'm going to be making a lot of log cabin and 9 patches. :roll:

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    I have been admiring the Watercolor quilts recently. You mean to tell me that if I designed a quilt using a photo that I myself took into a watercolor type quilt....it would be a copyright infringement? And yes I would sell a copy of that quilt to as many as I wanted to.


    Hmmmmmmm..........I guess they will have to hire some Quilt Police now....geeeeeeeeeeez.

    Linda D.


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    I would think that if you designed the quilt using your own photo that it would be ok. Just my 2 cents...hmm with inflation - maybe my free thoughts. ;)

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    I saw this come up the other day, and checked my Eleanor Burns books for info. There wasn't anything stated, so I e-mailed and asked :-) This is the response I just received:
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    Hello Roben, It is fine for you to sell your own quilts you have created. As
    long as you are not copying any of the material out of the book(s). This is
    very acceptable. Thank you for planning ahead and having your information upfront. Please let me know if we may be of further assistance.

    Thank you for your inquiry!
    Have a Wonderful Day

    Cozy Regards,

    Peggy Stinson
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    Quilt in a Day
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    It never hurts to e-mail, and now I know instead of having to guess! If I ever get good enough to make quilts to sell, I'll do some Eleanor Burns and give her a whopping credit on the label; not only is it allowed, but I appreciate the response in a day (pun intended!)

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    I read that response as saying you cannot sell quilts made from patterns in her books. She said--"of your own design" or am I reading it wrong?

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    For what it's worth, that's how I read it, too, Karla. You can use the techniques, but could not use any of the quilt patterns (that is, the arrangement of the blocks) found in any of her books.


    Quote Originally Posted by Roben
    not copying any of the material out of the book(s)

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    For clarification, this is the e-mail I sent, asking specifically about the quilts made using the books/videos (putting the two together helps - we should have a smiley smacking a forehead just for me!)

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    Good Morning!

    I currently own 7 Quilt in a Day titles, 5 by Ms. Burns and 2 by Wendy
    Gilbert. I enjoy them very much! I have made several quilts from the
    terrific instructions both in the books and from notes I''ve made while
    watching the QIAD Videos available on QNN.

    I''ve looked over the copyright information in all of the publications I
    have, and am not finding whether or not it is permissible to sell a quilt I
    have made using the books (or the videos.) I have no plans to make, let
    alone sell, hundreds of quilts - but if someone should ask to purchase one I
    have made I would like to know that it is or isn't allowed. If there is a
    procedure (such as optaining written permission or a certain form credit
    should be given) I would also like clarification on that as well. I love
    telling people about Ms. Burns and her methods - it is so much fun when they
    get the book(s) and find out they can do it too!

    Thanks so much for your time,
    Roben

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    Oh--that does make a difference. It does sound like she's saying you can sell quilts from her patterns. She just doesn't want you to photocopy the information.

    Thanks. Wonder if they'd all say that?

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    Thanks for the clarification, Roben. That does make a difference! :)

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    Sorry for the confusion :oops: Like I said, I need a smiley with a hand hitting the forehead!

    My philosophy is simple when it comes to this stuff. If it isn't spelled out, I ask. If I get a 'no' or no answer at all, it goes under the heading of I'll not buy that company's stuff again. I personally think some of the restrictions people are placing on their designs/patterns fall just short of ludicrous, but it's my cash they'll be missing. I won't break their rules; I just simply will use someone else's design/pattern etc.

    If I were going to be selling the quilts I made, you can bank on the fact that I have a file with the printed permissions all tucked away :wink:

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    Such an interesting topic! You know, I've been to several quilt shops lately where owners have made kits for patterns that I've found for free on the internet. I recently asked one shop owner about one of her "designs" I knew I had seen and pasted into my favorites and she gave me a story about how she came up with it when her daughter was going somewhere...blah blah blah.

    She doesn't want people to know it's a free pattern because her kits are expensive but I have to wonder about the copyright issues in this case. I've found almost every one of her kits online now on freebie sites or video clips from quilting shows. Now, you know I love my freebies but I'm not selling them as mine in a shop, either. What's up with that?

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    Makes me wonder if I'm not supposed to be selling all those tote bags I make.

    I thought once you bought the pattern and made them, as long as you tell everybody whose pattern it is and that you didn't design it, it was okay.

    Ferrrrrrgit it! I'll just have to design my own bag. I can't be worrying about this!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cordelia
    Makes me wonder if I'm not supposed to be selling all those tote bags I make.

    I thought once you bought the pattern and made them, as long as you tell everybody whose pattern it is and that you didn't design it, it was okay.

    Ferrrrrrgit it! I'll just have to design my own bag. I can't be worrying about this!
    That's what I did Cordelia with my bag. I saw a pattern on line, but made my own twist to it.

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    Now, you know I love my freebies but I'm not selling them as mine in a shop, either. What's up with that?
    I think it's everywhere.... I don't think 10% of the quilting population even understand the whole copyright issue.

    I honestly don't even think those who have copyrighted material understand what the law states.

    To me--purchasing a pattern and making it to sell is a perfectly natural step. It's a compliment to the creator!

    I'm probably be sticking to patterns in the public domain.... unless it's easy to contact someone who's done a pattern I want to make more than 5 of--

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    My quilt program has dozens and dozens of blocks, contemporary blocks, traditional blocks, etc., and you can design your own.

    Just using those thangles and arranging them in a pattern or making a sampler is your design and you don't have to worry about taking someone else's design.

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    Aside from patterns and copyrights, you also have copyrights on the FABRIC as well.... collegiate, cartoons, etc
    Some fabrics have it stated right on the selvage - no resale of anything made from the fabrics without a license agreement..

    But you see things made from those fabrics all the time if you go to craft shows - down here it's the colleges - every other booth has SOMETHING from college fabric.

    Some people seem to think its 'ok' if it's a non-profit organization - well, no it isn't. Other people just look at you like you're nuts if you mention it to them - like you are just being nasty.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again - I just like using TRADITIONAL (ie - public domain) patterns and new materials...
    and I think if somebody wanted to buy one of my quilts (hasn't happened yet :D ) I'd be absolutely sure to use a public domain pattern AND safe materials...

    better safe than sorry....

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    Yes--Janeen--I was told that long ago when I was making my Talk-About Quilts--that no cartoon kind of charater type fabric can be made into pieces to be sold. I believe it was someone in Joanne's who told me that. Glad she did!

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    Fabric has copyright rules too? Suddenly this whole mess seems ludicrous. I can't make a charm quilt with baby prints and then turn around and sell it because it has Loony Tunes or something in it? It's hard enough to watch patterns, but fabric too? What a mess!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by retrogirl02
    Iíve found almost every one of her kits online now on freebie sites or video clips from quilting shows. Now, you know I love my freebies but I'm not selling them as mine in a shop, either. What's up with that?
    This drives me nuts- I see it all the time, patterns popular in the 70s and 80s re-emerging and being claimed as "new" and "copyrighted". This is one of the reasons I seldom buy patterns, and most of the books I own emphasize techniques and not specific patterns. I also love designing, so that seems to be where mine come from. I may use classic patchwork, but would never consider a variation of only fabric pattern or border to be any copyright infringement.

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