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tooMuchFabric 09-11-2010 09:54 PM

Actually it's legal to give away or sell a pattern only on the condition that we do not keep a copy. The copy is what is illegal.

But I agree it would be nice not to have to store full books and magazines just to keep copies of a few patterns.

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Pat G 09-11-2010 09:57 PM


Originally Posted by tooMuchFabric
It's legal. They are selling the actual, original pages from the magazine, not xeroxed or scanned copies.

And if they sell separate patterns from the magazines, they can make back many times their cost of the magazine, or it could even all be pure profit if they got the magazines free or for scant money.

This has been going on in, as was posted, crochet and knitting, on ebay, for many years now.
Ebay is well aware of it.

I know a lady who financed her daughter's wedding 7 years ago with sales on ebay of pattern pages from new as well as old crochet magazines and booklets.
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Good grief, no kidding. Maybe if we find out it's all legal, we may all be onto something. LOL.

Pat G 09-11-2010 09:58 PM


Originally Posted by tooMuchFabric
Actually it's legal to give away or sell a pattern only on the condition that we do not keep a copy. The copy is what is illegal.

But I agree it would be nice not to have to store full books and magazines just to keep copies of a few patterns.

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This is what I do. Just copy what I want & take the rest to thrift stores. That's why I now say I will offer my bks. free to people in this grp. just for the cost of shipping.

Candace 09-11-2010 10:08 PM


Originally Posted by Pat G

Originally Posted by tooMuchFabric
Actually it's legal to give away or sell a pattern only on the condition that we do not keep a copy. The copy is what is illegal.

But I agree it would be nice not to have to store full books and magazines just to keep copies of a few patterns.

.

This is what I do. Just copy what I want & take the rest to thrift stores. That's why I now say I will offer my bks. free t
o people in this grp. just for the cost of shipping.

Sorry, but the "copying" part is what makes it against the law. If you plan on doing this, whatever, but I don't recommend you broadcast it on a public forum. Eyes are everywhere.

patricej 09-11-2010 11:08 PM


Originally Posted by Pat G
I'm just reading in another thread about "carping" & being negative. (I remember the msg they're referring to & felt bad about it at the time) I sure hope my comment doesn't sound like that since I'm just trying to find out if this is legal. If not, I will sure question a seller in the future as to her/his source of patterns.

I have so much faith in this grp. that I knew we would all rise above any negativity.

this is not a rant. not even close. you've asked an important question. you presented it without flipping out and throwing a fit. even better ... everybody who's responded has been helpful and constructive. no drama, no flames. makes a moderator proud. :thumbup:

i feel as most others do. whether or not it's legal, it's definitely tacky becaus she wasn't open and honest about what she was selling. in your case, i would include the "not as presented" as part of the feedback.

GrannieAnnie 09-11-2010 11:09 PM

E-bay has a method to grade sellers--------------make sure you add your two cents worth.

Personally, I'm shocked------that is low.

patricej 09-11-2010 11:13 PM


Originally Posted by Candace

Originally Posted by Pat G
This is what I do. Just copy what I want & take the rest to thrift stores. That's why I now say I will offer my bks. free t
o people in this grp. just for the cost of shipping.

Sorry, but the "copying" part is what makes it against the law. If you plan on doing this, whatever, but I don't recommend you broadcast it on a public forum. Eyes are everywhere.

i must agree. please make sure you have not kept copies of anything you sell or give away through the board. a better - but equally generous - option would be to donate your books to the local library. then you could "visit" them if you need to refer to them again later.

magpiefeather 09-11-2010 11:43 PM

I bought a couple magazine ripout patterns but it was clearly stated in the description (on ebay) I had never seen the patterns because I don't own every magazine in the history of quilt magazines (well most of them lol) and I didn't think about the legality. Good question...now we know.

amma 09-12-2010 12:20 AM

I don't think that selling patterns out of a magazine would violate the law anymore than the reselling of any other pattern.

However, I do think it would be presumed that you would be buying an "actual" packaged pattern unless it is stated otherwise in the items description.

I can understand your frustration, as well as your questioning this deceptive sale.

purplemem 09-12-2010 12:32 AM

I've bought patterns this way through ebay. The ones I received were "packaged" in clear sheet protectors and I paid a minimal amount. Maybe $1. I like buying this way. I have way too many quilt magazines.


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