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Originally Posted by dunster
Computerized quilting is making great strides, but in the beginning I could look at a quilt and tell you immediately that the quilting was computerized, and that was NOT a good thing. Now that the quilter has more freedom to arrange the design that's no longer the case. what do you mean, i'm a trouble-maker? :lol: :lol: |
Originally Posted by Buckeye Rose
Originally Posted by aorlflood
I agree. But I also like machine quilting that is less dense, too.
oh yes....i don't like quilts that are almost "hard" from so much quilting......they lose that cuddly feel.....am a firm believer in " a little goes a long way" Wallhangings are another story and catagory all to their own.:) |
Originally Posted by k3n
I think a distinction needs to be made between bed quilts - ie quilts to be used which are nicer soft (though dense quilting can be soft if the correct wadding is used) and art quilts where the quilting is an inherent part of the design... It seems to me that many of you are talking exclusively about bed quilts but art quilts are quilts too.
PS Why is it that so many of these discussions on here instead of being an honest and frank exchange of views, with room for everyone's opinions, quickly degenerate into ppl hating this and that and indirectly or even directly insulting others' tastes? Some ppl seem to have issues the second we get away from oohing and aahing over each others' work. It's a shame. :? i firmly agree about the difference between art/bed quilts, but still only if the quilting is integral to the artwork. on all quilts i want to see the craftsmanship that the piecer put into the work, instead of it being smothered by stitches. i, too, noticed the not-too-frank discussion going on and the amazing ability of people to ignore what they don't agree with or don't want to hear. they'll probably ignore me as well. there are many ways to quilt. i don't like them all in some circumstances. i do like them all in other circumstances. feathers are fine here and there, but not all over the place, as far as i'm concerned. the same with every other design pattern. the quilt police can tie me to the post and execute me now. |
Well, I'm going to "have to" weigh in again; the comments were not mean-spirited at all, IMHO. I believe the opinions expressed on the board were merely our own opinions, which we are allowed to make. I did not read anyone's comments that denigrated anyone's work; merely that we preferred less quilting on quilt tops. I hope I haven't misread the comments.
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Well, I'm going to "have to" weigh in again; the comments were not mean-spirited at all, IMHO. I believe the opinions expressed on the board were merely our own opinions, which we are allowed to make. I did not read anyone's comments that denigrated anyone's work; merely that we preferred less quilting on quilt tops. I hope I haven't misread the comments.
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Originally Posted by Sadiemae
Originally Posted by Selena
Originally Posted by Quiltinvaca
Who knew "feathers" could create such a crowd?! |
Originally Posted by carolynjo
Well, I'm going to "have to" weigh in again; the comments were not mean-spirited at all, IMHO. I believe the opinions expressed on the board were merely our own opinions, which we are allowed to make. I did not read anyone's comments that denigrated anyone's work; merely that we preferred less quilting on quilt tops. I hope I haven't misread the comments.
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I have now read nearly all the "feather" comments and I believe the word "bashing" is a bit strong. I haven't seen any comments that I would call bashing or am I just dense. I am sure that some people will take offense at the idea that not all of us like feathers, but we are entitled to our opinions, too. 'Nuf said.
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I agree, some of the quilts I have seen posted here have so much quilting on them it is in itself a seperate quilt to the one that was originally pieced.
I agree that some quilts lend themselves to "tight" quilting and that sometimes it is what the person wants, but personally when I see a quilt that has been quilted the first thing I want to think is ""WOW"" what a beautiful quilt, great colours, fantastic piecing, spectacular pattern and then "Gosh" isn't the quilting fabulous, wish I had so much talent!! |
I do simple feathers, I work for a lady that takes the orders, then tells me what she wants me to do, simple feathers are a lot quicker than stitch in the ditch and do not show the sometimes little wobbles that stitch in the ditch shows all the time. swirls and loops are also very quick and forgiving. I love the experience.
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I agree, bashing wasnt the best "word" but I wasnt sure what else to call it. Anyway, some like dense quilting, some dont...Pretty simple. Like I also said, quilt what you like and the way you want. Its all a matter of preference. And I agree nuff said :)
Originally Posted by carolynjo
I have now read nearly all the "feather" comments and I believe the word "bashing" is a bit strong. I haven't seen any comments that I would call bashing or am I just dense. I am sure that some people will take offense at the idea that not all of us like feathers, but we are entitled to our opinions, too. 'Nuf said.
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Ditto
Originally Posted by leatheflea
To much of anything is a bad thing. But I like feathers, and I like a dense quilt. But when quilting for someone as a gift I normally go with a looser pattern. Most people like the fluffy.
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Originally Posted by aorlflood
I agree. But I also like machine quilting that is less dense, too.
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If every single quilt had either feathers or stitch in the ditch, I would have nothing to complain about.
Believe me, back in 'the day' it was not unusual for everybody to do the quilting in the same way. Just like in Hawaii where ALL the quilts were echo stitched. You like variety. That particular client probably asked for feathers. I would. My feathers still suck. |
Loose quilting gets my vote too. A bed quilt is more for warmth than art, though they should complement each other. Over quilting may add to weight, but reduces the warmth. Wall art is another story, and is often designed to showcase the quilting, as much, or more, than the piecing.
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i have to agree also. this is why i do my own quilting. some times i think the quilt gets lost in too much quilting. with that said, i think it is up to the person getting the quilt done that must decide. that is what is nice about this board, we are allowed our opinions with out getting trouble. quilt on my friends, quilt on.
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I have to put in my two cents worth as well. I don't care to sleep under a quilt that feels like a piece of cardboard. There really is a fine line between enough and not enough. I have found myself looking at quilts and saying they could of done more quilting. So I quess I am not sure myself what is enough and what is to much.
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I don't think the question is whether to add feathers or not to add feathers, but how many, where, and when? There are many different kinds of feathers and they can definitely enhance many quilt patterns.
I would like to think that I am (becoming) a master of many styles, techniques, and ideas. It is most ideal if the piecer is able to articulate what his or her preferences are on the given quilt. I like to say to people that "there is not just one right answer." |
I love feathers!!!
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Originally Posted by suebee
Originally Posted by carolynjo
Well, I'm going to "have to" weigh in again; the comments were not mean-spirited at all, IMHO. I believe the opinions expressed on the board were merely our own opinions, which we are allowed to make. I did not read anyone's comments that denigrated anyone's work; merely that we preferred less quilting on quilt tops. I hope I haven't misread the comments.
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Some people have commented that the opinions expressed in this post are just that – opinions – and they don’t understand why others feel that the conversation has turned ugly. I’ve been thinking about that and think I can explain.
Let’s pretend that we’re participating in a cooking forum rather than a quilting forum. (That would never happen, because I am NOT a cook. But I can pretend.) Here’s how the posts go… Poster 1: “I like chili with beans, but I think that too many cooks are putting beans in their chili.” Poster 2: “I agree” Poster 3: “I agree, and I also think that they do it because beans are cheap. They make an easy filler.” Poster 4: “Yeah, I don’t like beans in my chili and I also don’t like it when they use ground beef. Chili should be made with shredded beef. Using ground beef makes it taste greasy.” Poster 5: “I make my chili with ground beef and it doesn’t taste greasy. I strain off the grease after I brown the meat.” Poster 6: “Yes, ground beef makes for greasy chili. You can light it with a match.” Poster 7: “I don’t use beans because they’re cheap. My family likes them. We’re vegetarians and don’t use any meat at all in our chili.” Poster 8: “I like beans in my chili occasionally, but not all the time. Why do the professional cooks think they have to add them every time? I think it’s because it’s so easy just to open the can and dump them in.” Poster 9: “I agree.” Poster 10: “Chili with ground beef is way too greasy, and it’s not good for you. Why not just poison your family and get it over with?” Poster 5: “I wish this conversation wasn’t getting so ugly.” Poster 10: “What? We’re just expressing our opinions.” Well, you get the idea. The cook who puts beans in her chili and uses ground beef has been sufficiently pummeled by now. Her explanation that her chili is not greasy because she drains the meat has fallen on deaf ears. The vegetarian cook has been told that others think she is using beans because they’re cheap and easy. In short, people who “were only expressing their opinion” have unintentionally insulted people who do things in a different way. Underline that word – UNINTENTIONALLY. You don’t agree? Think about the comments about dense quilting causing quilts that could stand up on their own, or weren’t soft and cuddly, or stiff as cardboard? Those of us who like denser quilting have just been told that our quilts are stiff and uncomfortable. We know it isn’t true – if it were, we wouldn’t quilt them that way. Again, I agree that no one has intentionally said anything to specifically hurt anyone else. But I make my chili with beans AND ground beef, and it’s not greasy, and I'm not being cheap. (And I’m from Texas originally, and I know that beans don’t belong in chili, but I put them in anyway.) |
Originally Posted by aorlflood
I agree. But I also like machine quilting that is less dense, too.
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Originally Posted by be a quilter
Originally Posted by suebee
Originally Posted by carolynjo
Well, I'm going to "have to" weigh in again; the comments were not mean-spirited at all, IMHO. I believe the opinions expressed on the board were merely our own opinions, which we are allowed to make. I did not read anyone's comments that denigrated anyone's work; merely that we preferred less quilting on quilt tops. I hope I haven't misread the comments.
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Originally Posted by dunster
Some people have commented that the opinions expressed in this post are just that – opinions – and they don’t understand why others feel that the conversation has turned ugly. I’ve been thinking about that and think I can explain.
Let’s pretend that we’re participating in a cooking forum rather than a quilting forum. (That would never happen, because I am NOT a cook. But I can pretend.) Here’s how the posts go… Poster 1: “I like chili with beans, but I think that too many cooks are putting beans in their chili.” Poster 2: “I agree” Poster 3: “I agree, and I also think that they do it because beans are cheap. They make an easy filler.” Poster 4: “Yeah, I don’t like beans in my chili and I also don’t like it when they use ground beef. Chili should be made with shredded beef. Using ground beef makes it taste greasy.” Poster 5: “I make my chili with ground beef and it doesn’t taste greasy. I strain off the grease after I brown the meat.” Poster 6: “Yes, ground beef makes for greasy chili. You can light it with a match.” Poster 7: “I don’t use beans because they’re cheap. My family likes them. We’re vegetarians and don’t use any meat at all in our chili.” Poster 8: “I like beans in my chili occasionally, but not all the time. Why do the professional cooks think they have to add them every time? I think it’s because it’s so easy just to open the can and dump them in.” Poster 9: “I agree.” Poster 10: “Chili with ground beef is way too greasy, and it’s not good for you. Why not just poison your family and get it over with?” Poster 5: “I wish this conversation wasn’t getting so ugly.” Poster 10: “What? We’re just expressing our opinions.” Well, you get the idea. The cook who puts beans in her chili and uses ground beef has been sufficiently pummeled by now. Her explanation that her chili is not greasy because she drains the meat has fallen on deaf ears. The vegetarian cook has been told that others think she is using beans because they’re cheap and easy. In short, people who “were only expressing their opinion” have unintentionally insulted people who do things in a different way. Underline that word – UNINTENTIONALLY. You don’t agree? Think about the comments about dense quilting causing quilts that could stand up on their own, or weren’t soft and cuddly, or stiff as cardboard? Those of us who like denser quilting have just been told that our quilts are stiff and uncomfortable. We know it isn’t true – if it were, we wouldn’t quilt them that way. Again, I agree that no one has intentionally said anything to specifically hurt anyone else. But I make my chili with beans AND ground beef, and it’s not greasy, and I'm not being cheap. (And I’m from Texas originally, and I know that beans don’t belong in chili, but I put them in anyway.) |
Originally Posted by dunster
Some people have commented that the opinions expressed in this post are just that – opinions – and they don’t understand why others feel that the conversation has turned ugly. I’ve been thinking about that and think I can explain.
Let’s pretend that we’re participating in a cooking forum rather than a quilting forum. (That would never happen, because I am NOT a cook. But I can pretend.) Here’s how the posts go… Poster 1: “I like chili with beans, but I think that too many cooks are putting beans in their chili.” Poster 2: “I agree” Poster 3: “I agree, and I also think that they do it because beans are cheap. They make an easy filler.” Poster 4: “Yeah, I don’t like beans in my chili and I also don’t like it when they use ground beef. Chili should be made with shredded beef. Using ground beef makes it taste greasy.” Poster 5: “I make my chili with ground beef and it doesn’t taste greasy. I strain off the grease after I brown the meat.” Poster 6: “Yes, ground beef makes for greasy chili. You can light it with a match.” Poster 7: “I don’t use beans because they’re cheap. My family likes them. We’re vegetarians and don’t use any meat at all in our chili.” Poster 8: “I like beans in my chili occasionally, but not all the time. Why do the professional cooks think they have to add them every time? I think it’s because it’s so easy just to open the can and dump them in.” Poster 9: “I agree.” Poster 10: “Chili with ground beef is way too greasy, and it’s not good for you. Why not just poison your family and get it over with?” Poster 5: “I wish this conversation wasn’t getting so ugly.” Poster 10: “What? We’re just expressing our opinions.” Well, you get the idea. The cook who puts beans in her chili and uses ground beef has been sufficiently pummeled by now. Her explanation that her chili is not greasy because she drains the meat has fallen on deaf ears. The vegetarian cook has been told that others think she is using beans because they’re cheap and easy. In short, people who “were only expressing their opinion” have unintentionally insulted people who do things in a different way. Underline that word – UNINTENTIONALLY. You don’t agree? Think about the comments about dense quilting causing quilts that could stand up on their own, or weren’t soft and cuddly, or stiff as cardboard? Those of us who like denser quilting have just been told that our quilts are stiff and uncomfortable. We know it isn’t true – if it were, we wouldn’t quilt them that way. Again, I agree that no one has intentionally said anything to specifically hurt anyone else. But I make my chili with beans AND ground beef, and it’s not greasy, and I'm not being cheap. (And I’m from Texas originally, and I know that beans don’t belong in chili, but I put them in anyway.) |
Originally Posted by dunster
As long as we're discussing what we personally prefer, and not bashing anyone else's preferences - I'm definitely pro-feathers. There are so many ways to make them, and they are always different. I like swirls, vines and leaves, circles, crosshatch, echo quilting, and most other quilting designs, and I think that SID can be remarkably effective. I do not care for meandering, but I understand that many people like it. I don't usually care for pantographs either, but again there's a place and time for them, especially in children's quilts. I like fairly dense quilting too and haven't felt that it made my quilts any less cuddly.
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Originally Posted by SunlitenSmiles
Wooooooooooooooah, have read all the pages and this is begining to resemble a quilt guild meeting.....ouch !!!
who just kicked me under the table..... can we all agree to just quilt whatever we like |
Originally Posted by dunster
Some people have commented that the opinions expressed in this post are just that – opinions – and they don’t understand why others feel that the conversation has turned ugly. I’ve been thinking about that and think I can explain.
Let’s pretend that we’re participating in a cooking forum rather than a quilting forum. (That would never happen, because I am NOT a cook. But I can pretend.) Here’s how the posts go… Poster 1: “I like chili with beans, but I think that too many cooks are putting beans in their chili.” Poster 2: “I agree” Poster 3: “I agree, and I also think that they do it because beans are cheap. They make an easy filler.” Poster 4: “Yeah, I don’t like beans in my chili and I also don’t like it when they use ground beef. Chili should be made with shredded beef. Using ground beef makes it taste greasy.” Poster 5: “I make my chili with ground beef and it doesn’t taste greasy. I strain off the grease after I brown the meat.” Poster 6: “Yes, ground beef makes for greasy chili. You can light it with a match.” Poster 7: “I don’t use beans because they’re cheap. My family likes them. We’re vegetarians and don’t use any meat at all in our chili.” Poster 8: “I like beans in my chili occasionally, but not all the time. Why do the professional cooks think they have to add them every time? I think it’s because it’s so easy just to open the can and dump them in.” Poster 9: “I agree.” Poster 10: “Chili with ground beef is way too greasy, and it’s not good for you. Why not just poison your family and get it over with?” Poster 5: “I wish this conversation wasn’t getting so ugly.” Poster 10: “What? We’re just expressing our opinions.” Well, you get the idea. The cook who puts beans in her chili and uses ground beef has been sufficiently pummeled by now. Her explanation that her chili is not greasy because she drains the meat has fallen on deaf ears. The vegetarian cook has been told that others think she is using beans because they’re cheap and easy. In short, people who “were only expressing their opinion” have unintentionally insulted people who do things in a different way. Underline that word – UNINTENTIONALLY. You don’t agree? Think about the comments about dense quilting causing quilts that could stand up on their own, or weren’t soft and cuddly, or stiff as cardboard? Those of us who like denser quilting have just been told that our quilts are stiff and uncomfortable. We know it isn’t true – if it were, we wouldn’t quilt them that way. Again, I agree that no one has intentionally said anything to specifically hurt anyone else. But I make my chili with beans AND ground beef, and it’s not greasy, and I'm not being cheap. (And I’m from Texas originally, and I know that beans don’t belong in chili, but I put them in anyway.) |
Originally Posted by aorlflood
I agree. But I also like machine quilting that is less dense, too.
While the work is beautiful, I've always wondered WHY the quilter feels the need to fill every single inch of the piecers work with another level of art. If the quilt is made to highlight the quilting, well and good, but most quilts are not intended to be museum pieces in my humble opinion. I always felt that my feeling was based on envy as I wish I could create the quilting designs they accomplish, but I think in a lot of cases, I prefer simplicity in quilting to highlight the pattern used with the beautiful fabric. Just me I'm afraid. Sorry LA's....no personal slam intended. All of you do beautiful work and I'm sure that's what the customer wants. |
i AGREE SOMETIMES TOO MUCH IS TOO MUCH AND TAKES
AWAY FROM THE PATTERN OF THE QUILT. AGAIN i GUESS IT DEPENDS ON THE PATTERN, |
Everything has it's place including feathers when it suits the quilt. I don't like to see a quilt over quilted either regardless of how well it's done. It takes away from the block and makes the quilt stiff. Thought I was the only one who thought this way!
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I don't like a quilt "overdone". I love the look of the feathers, anyway that's me. :)
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I agree. I've thought when seeing many of the picture that there is such a thing as overquilting.
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Originally Posted by doowopddbop
Wow, don't you love how passionate we quilters are??? We all love our craft - and we all love our quilts.
As a longarm quilter, I use feathers occasionally. It took a few years of testing and trying to get just the look I wanted without too much quilting; the overquilting and double stitching and bump-back and double stems/filled stems is just not to my taste. I've found the technique I like now, and have used it on a couple of quilts with lots of open space. I chalk the spine but don't stitch it, and I leave a small space between the feathers. My husband requested feathers for his own quilt that my girls and I made for him, and it suits the quilt perfectly. He loves it--enough said. I also used it in my tree skirt, because, frankly, I liked the look, and couldn't figure out how to quilt holly leaves and make it look as nice. http://www.quiltscapesquilting.com/patterns Shivers go up and down my spine when a client asks me to do an overall pattern on applique' quilts, or motifs - I talk them out of it... The quilting is just there to add texture and bring the design of the quilt to life. If someone tells me to quilt it however I want to, I take clues from the design of the quilt, how it will be used, who it is for, and then I let the fabric and the quilt speak to me. (I hear quilts...) So, at the risk of being shunned... |
I was so glad to see this question raised. This has long been a problem for me. TOO MUCH QUILTING. I thought I might be out of line cause I like the soft cuddly quilt.
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sometimes, you don't even see the quilt pattern because the quilting is so overpowering. I thought maybe my preferences were just different. Glad to know I am not alone.
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Originally Posted by doowopddbop
Wow, don't you love how passionate we quilters are??? We all love our craft - and we all love our quilts.
As a longarm quilter, I use feathers occasionally. It took a few years of testing and trying to get just the look I wanted without too much quilting; the overquilting and double stitching and bump-back and double stems/filled stems is just not to my taste. I've found the technique I like now, and have used it on a couple of quilts with lots of open space. I chalk the spine but don't stitch it, and I leave a small space between the feathers. My husband requested feathers for his own quilt that my girls and I made for him, and it suits the quilt perfectly. He loves it--enough said. I also used it in my tree skirt, because, frankly, I liked the look, and couldn't figure out how to quilt holly leaves and make it look as nice. http://www.quiltscapesquilting.com/patterns Shivers go up and down my spine when a client asks me to do an overall pattern on applique' quilts, or motifs - I talk them out of it... The quilting is just there to add texture and bring the design of the quilt to life. If someone tells me to quilt it however I want to, I take clues from the design of the quilt, how it will be used, who it is for, and then I let the fabric and the quilt speak to me. (I hear quilts...) So, at the risk of being shunned... I probably wouldn't use that kind of quilting to cover Kaffe Fasset prints as it would battle them. Assuming I could quilt like you!!! But what would you do on a bright big print quilt with no real background like brick road or turning 20 or D9p? I'm trying to get some design principles out of this thread and noting the posts as the thread goes on. |
Another thought about feathers and such.
Too often the wonderful and appropriate quilting is done on fabric so busy you can't see it. So the quilting design is lost. |
Uh, Oh! I DON'T like Chilli, so I guess I am in trouble now!lol
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Originally Posted by Sadiemae
Uh, Oh! I DON'T like Chilli, so I guess I am in trouble now!lol
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