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    I've read a few comments here about how the new Moda designs are coming in on thinner cloth. We noticed it, too, with one of their lines.

    I e-mailed their customer service department to ask about it, and they told me that they had printed (and will print) some of the lines on a 75x75 cloth with finer threads that gives a softer hand, and which is actually more costly (to them) than the 60x60 cloth that they had been using.

    Have you personally noticed a difference? Do you have a preference for one over the other, and has it made a difference in what you buy?

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    I like the fabric that is 65 threads per inch. 75 seems a little tight for quilt fabric. The higher weave possible takes the dyes better so that may be why the change for some of the lines, lots of different colors in the design or maybe different dyes are being used. The cloth cost more but maybe the new dye being used cost less. You'll never get a real straight answer to why, just the pros of why. I doubt the reps or employees or even the designer know unless they are in on the manufacturing cost decisions.

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    My preference is a good combination of the thread count AND the weight of the threads. It's the overall weight of the fabric that matters to me. Smaller, tightly twisted threads do not take dye as well as more loosely twisted threads as it does not penetrate as deeply. I would also be willing to bet they are using fewer fibers in the thread to save money.

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    i was given a swatch of the 75x75 and it does have a soft feel to it but the fabric is so thin i wouldn't even consider using it as backing for a wall hanging.


    i do a bulk of my fabric shopping online and the stores don't explain the thread count so its hard for me to know which Moda line are thin and which aren't so i'm just going to avoid Moda until they stop using the thin fabric.

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    I weighed a 15-yard bolt of the 60x60 and it was 5 lbs. 7 oz.

    The 75x75 weighed in at 4 lbs. 2 oz.

    Considering that the cardboard is also included in that... there is at least 25% less material by weight in the 75x75. I asked if the different fabric was chosen as a cost-saving measure and that's when I was told that the 75x75 actually costs the maker more.

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    I've talked specifically with one of our main suppliers about this, as they are planning on going to 75 square fabric as well. He told me a couple things;

    First, it depends on the thread thickness as to how well it'll feel and what it will weigh. So that means there is good 75 square fabric and not-so-good.

    Second, the reason some are going that route is that even though it is more expensive than 60 square, it's easier right now to obtain. It seems there's not as much demand for 75 square, so it's more obtainable than 60 square.

    I guess we'll have to see what it comes in looking like...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Favorite Fabrics
    I weighed a 15-yard bolt of the 60x60 and it was 5 lbs. 7 oz.

    The 75x75 weighed in at 4 lbs. 2 oz.

    Considering that the cardboard is also included in that... there is at least 25% less material by weight in the 75x75. I asked if the different fabric was chosen as a cost-saving measure and that's when I was told that the 75x75 actually costs the maker more.
    Wow, that's a significant difference isn't it! On your scale of fabric weights, does that still qualify as medium?

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    Hmmm, my mind is seeing the situation......I love mind seeing situations........ so the cloth is woven on machines that do 75 threads and that fabric isn't in demand so there is more of it available and the manufacturer doesn't want to have that equipment at a stand still so made a darn good deal to have plenty of the 75 available guaranteed. The 60 cloth may or may not be available when needed but cost less when it is.
    Moda has more new fabric lines then any other fabric manufacture. I don't think the quality of the fabric will be bad, just different. I'm willing to buy and try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghostrider
    Quote Originally Posted by Favorite Fabrics
    I weighed a 15-yard bolt of the 60x60 and it was 5 lbs. 7 oz.

    The 75x75 weighed in at 4 lbs. 2 oz.

    Considering that the cardboard is also included in that... there is at least 25% less material by weight in the 75x75. I asked if the different fabric was chosen as a cost-saving measure and that's when I was told that the 75x75 actually costs the maker more.
    Wow, that's a significant difference isn't it! On your scale of fabric weights, does that still qualify as medium?
    It's not the same as what we've become accustomed to as "medium"... so I really can't call it that.

    But this is becoming a rather complicated issue! And I'm going to have to become more knowledgeable about all the different kinds of greige goods that the fabric companies are printing on.

    Until I acquire that knowledge... well, I shall call these ones "Printed on 75x75 cloth." It's the best description that I have at this point.

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    Where does a person/shop find out this information? I have never, in 20 years, had a rep give me a thread count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ewecansew
    Where does a person/shop find out this information? I have never, in 20 years, had a rep give me a thread count.
    I don't know!!! I'm thinking that it the kind of detailed information that you have to PRESS to get.

    And I'll be pressing... because I think that quilters will want to know. Right now on our site we've been describing the fabrics as "medium weight" or "deluxe weight", mostly to distinguish the "beefier" fabrics by Alexander Henry, Michael Miller, Robert Kaufman and Timeless Treasures from most of the rest of the pack. But the differences can be really subtle, and for me I'm mostly feeling for thickness.

    I'm searching for a better way of describing the cloth and perhaps thread count will do.

    Oh. Robert Kaufman does give weight in ounces per yard of their fabrics. I guess I could ask the fabric manufacturers for that too... but don't you think thread count is a more useful measurement? Unless you're importing/exporting, in which case Customs might care about the weight.

    I'm getting a little confused...

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    I like the current descriptions you use... If it doesn't have a nice hand, I won't buy it... and even tho I do a lot of on-line buying, I do still patronize my LQS, so I can do the feel test...

    If it feels too thin for my liking, I'll keep walkin'... Moda or not! JMHO (so what weight are your birds on your website haa haa my daughter loves the bluejay / cardinal prints)

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    My problem is with combining fabrics of different weights into one project. I know that we make quilts with different fabrics, but sometimes I just want them all the same for the continuity and ease of use.

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    Nan ~ do you "sew tests" with them when they do these kinds of changes to rock our world? My first choice are the slightly beefy ones that have a very soft hand, just feel like liquidity when fondled, and sew up like a hot knife going thru butter... boy, everyone will think I'm really a nut now... but your're wrong, I'm a cashew, which is a fruit! LOL

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    Personally I like to know the weight per square yard, but there are very few websites that tell you that info...perhaps because it is not available to them. Thread count by itself means nothing to me and certainly does not mean better or worse, softer or rougher, by a long shot.

    When I order online, knowing the weight, the heft of a fabric if you will, is as close as I can come to feeling it and now that the manufacturers are making that more of a variable, it is more important, to me anyway, to have that information available before I buy 'sight unseen'.

    How hard would it be for a retailer to weigh a yard of each fabric on a food or postage scale before, or after, they cut it into fat quarters? It just seems like the most objective way to describe weights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b.zang
    My problem is with combining fabrics of different weights into one project. I know that we make quilts with different fabrics, but sometimes I just want them all the same for the continuity and ease of use.
    I agree with this, my favorite fabric line is Moda and I wouldn't like the different weights combined in a quilt. I haven't felt the 75x75 so don't know if I would like an entire quilt made with this fabric. I need to go to a quilt shop and feel the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lvaughan
    Quote Originally Posted by b.zang
    My problem is with combining fabrics of different weights into one project. I know that we make quilts with different fabrics, but sometimes I just want them all the same for the continuity and ease of use.
    I agree with this, my favorite fabric line is Moda and I wouldn't like the different weights combined in a quilt. I haven't felt the 75x75 so don't know if I would like an entire quilt made with this fabric. I need to go to a quilt shop and feel the difference.
    When I first read this thread, that was my main concern. I don't like combining different fabric weights, guess that's just me. I do most of my shopping for fabric online and now I am concerned that I am going to get different weights of fabric for a selected project. I usually choose Moda or Kaufman because I know I will get what I expect. I guess I am going to have to make a trip to my LQS and start feeling the fabrics more. Hmmm, what a sacrifice to make. :roll: :roll:

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    I don't know anything about thread count, dyes, etc. I know about weight. What is boils down to is that if I can choose between the light fabric and the heavier fabric, I'll will go with the heavier fabric every time. And since I have been buying online a lot lately I will avoid the Moda fabrics. And I LOVE Moda fabs and have bought a ton of them over the years. And it really makes me sad that I will avoid their fabs.

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    I had heard that the new Moda's were getting thinner. I was hoping it wasn't true. I guess they are following the new marketing strategy of offering less at a higher cost.They probably figure the un-informed consumer will not notice. All I know is, if I spend many weeks or months on a quilt, I want to use the best quality materials to make it worth the time involved.

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    It is absolutly amazing what I can learn on this board. Thank you Ladies.

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    I thought I would let the conversation go on for a little bit before I posted the *other* thing that Moda told me.

    They said that these two lines are still scheduled to print on 75x75:
    - Dogwood Trail
    - Summer Breeze II

    (And yes, if you were wondering, it is Summer Breeze that is the beautiful but lightweight group we received.)

    I was further told that Moda has discovered that most of their customers (and this probably means LQS owners) prefer their customary 60x60 and so they were going to use that, going forward on other new lines.

    I asked about all the future lines that I have on order now and was told that all of them are going to be on 60x60. I didn't ask about ALL their future lines, just the ones that I have ordered. So maybe it's just these pretty florals that they decided to do on 75x75?

    I'd like to find out what sort of information I can provide that would be most helpful to online shoppers: thread count or weight per square yard, or both.

    We could certainly weigh our first 1-yard cut on the fabrics we receive... but that won't help us provide the weight information ahead of time for customers that want to pre-order.

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    Another thing I have noticed Moda doing on a lot of their fabrics is having a line about 1" above the selvedge even if the fabric would be considered a background fabric. I'm wondering what their reason is for doing this. With fabric so costly I hate to lose that much more of the fabric if I can't incorporate the line in to my design. Have any of the rest of you noticed this too?

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    I did notice this in the "solids" of their Rural Jardin line. And it did "waste" about an inch-and-a-half of the usable width of the fabric.

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    I sent an email to Moda (United Notions) to let them know how we feel about reducing the quality of their fabric. Maybe if they hear from enough of us, they will re-consider. Here is the link:

    [email protected]

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    It just dawned on me yesterday in the fabric store that with the cost of cotton rising, the fabrics were going to start to get thinner. And now here you all are, talking about it...

    I'm glad I have a goodly stash to work from for a couple of years, to wait this out.

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