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    Question.....can you rip a piece of material to make it square....will it follow the true grain or thread of the material and making it square???

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    I'm not much of a ripper - I rotary cut. I have ripped the starting line, but I don't like how ratty the edge looks and end up trimming it anyway.

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    About ripping fabric. there is a store here in town that sells fabric by the pound,I have never been there,but a friend of mine went there and made her selections and then went to the "cutting table'' to have them measured out and cut.the girl measures and rips them, my friend about had a coronary,she asked the girl not to do that to cut them with scissors, the sales girls said that is how we do it,my friend repeated her request not to rip the fabric and she did it anyway.my friend turned around and walked out.Now I have heard that ripping is a more accurate way of "cutting" the cloth,I disagree any thoughts?

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    Actually if it is good quality fabric I will rip for long borders and if I am making a large backing, and it works great. When I started quilting 26 years ago you did that to pull a thread full length of the fabric to make sure you had a definite straight grain. All the fabric stores would do a small cut and then rip. but I only do that for tearing the back or the border.

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    I'm not sure about ripping. I have heard that it works great and is actually more accurate than cutting.

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    for large pieces it is more accurate. Just press after you rip. It will tear on the straight.

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    So! With all this talk about ripping fabric (and, I put my two cents worth in, too ) .. I loaded a backing onto my frame to quilt a quilt, and of course ... it was too long, so I figured .... I will just snip it a bit and rip it ... my grandson (14) was helping me pin, and he said, "Are you sure?"
    Of course! I wouldn't do it if I wasn't sure ... and, he was quiet while I tore the other end.
    Then, I rolled the backing up, (oh, yeah ... I do remember telling the boy that I wasn't sure the first part of my pinning was straight, since I forgot to square it, but I wasn't going to worry about it right now ... I'll fix it later)
    Got to the end of the backing, and it wasn't straight ... no problem! I will just rip that!
    The boy says: Omakmama ... it still isn't straight, so your ripping doesn't do what you said it would do.
    I patiently remind him that we really weren't that sure that the beginning pinning was straight - - the ripping was straight, apparently, the cut edge I just "eyeballed" wasn't straight, and now we know!
    I am not advocating my outlook on life (most rules are merely guides and tools) ... but I thought you might enjoy my ripping story.
    I do believe on those big pieces, it will tear straight ... the key is: Do it BEFORE you load it on a quilt frame.

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    Yes definitely do it before putting on the frame. Works great otherwise.

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    my lqs always tears... they actually did it both directions the other day! i have no problem with their doing it for my fabrics - however, when someone specifically asks them not too - someone here posted that - then they should respect it and not do it - is losing a customer worth taking a few minutes to cut with scissors or rotary cutter? i think the customer is far more important

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    I have shopped at fabric stores that tear yardages exclusively..and I won't shop at those any more. I know it tears straight on the grain of the fabric, but it just goes against my grain. I bought fake fur at a place that insisted on tearing it... I was left with 3" of unusable fabric because it stretched the knitted backing and distorted it horribly.. just my preference.

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    I can't imagine tearing knitted fabric. I have only torn cotton. I know polyester, wool, etc has to be cut.

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    In the 1960's the material places used to rip our cloth at the amount we wanted. Today, with the new fabrics.. stretch is involved. I would not rip for fear of distorting the fabric.

    Just me. I agree with others. Can not beat the roto like a pizza cutter tool !!

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    GREAT POINT!
    No such thing as tearing any knitted or felted fabric ... if you could even manage to do it, it would tear horribly crooked ...
    woven fabric is the key, I guess, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tippy
    I have shopped at fabric stores that tear yardages exclusively..and I won't shop at those any more. I know it tears straight on the grain of the fabric, but it just goes against my grain. I bought fake fur at a place that insisted on tearing it... I was left with 3" of unusable fabric because it stretched the knitted backing and distorted it horribly.. just my preference.
    i agree. it tears straight on the lengthwise grain, but not always on the cross grain. and you cannot force it into square no matter what you do. first washing or wetting, it's right back to off-grain on the crossgrain. i always request cutting and if they won't i can't shop there. too much wastage. that's why you always have to square up fabric on the cutting mat before you start measuring. to get rid of that crooked edge.

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    I have to rethink something here ....
    Is the cross grain going from selvedge to selvedge?
    And, which is the grain that is the strongest?

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    the crossgrain goes from selvedge to selvedge.

    the crossgrain has stretch in it. that is, if you pull on it and then relax it, it will 'bounce' back into shape. the lengthwise grain has no stretch and i find is easier to rip..

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    Quote Originally Posted by butterflywing
    the crossgrain goes from selvedge to selvedge.

    the crossgrain has stretch in it. that is, if you pull on it and then relax it, it will 'bounce' back into shape. the lengthwise grain has no stretch and i find is easier to rip..
    Well, that would certainly explain why my ripping the fabric for my backing didn't tear straight. Thank you for explaining that for me. Tear parallel to the selvedge, but tearing from selvedge to selvedge will cause the fabric to be more wonky. Works for me! Thank you!

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    As far as I know, they will not be square.

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    I actually did a little test because of this tread and ripped the long borders for my latest quilt rather than cutting them. I must admit that the pieces were straight BUT there was a lot of raveling and a lot of annoying strings hanging around. Next time, I'll go back to cutting.

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    I was with my sister when she bought a lot of wool, some big pieces, some small pieces. She is a rughooker. The shopowner ripped the wool, and I was surprised it even ripped! But both ladies said that is how they always do their wool!

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    I have never seen a store rip fabric but it would go against what I would like. It does seems wasteful to do this and leave a messy edge.

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    My experience is that in the few places that rip the fabric, I have less waste. I don't know how many times I have had to cut off quite a bit of fabric to get it square. It makes me mad when I end up with less than the yard I purchased, and I would rather deal with the threads. I have a friend that got to the bottom of the quilt she was quilting to discover she was short fabric on one side. She trimmed the top but didn't worry about the bottom. If I remember correctly, she had purchase a 1/4 yard of extra fabric than needed for machine quilting on a frame. Personnally I always buy about about 1/2 yard extra and now this friend does as well.

    Some I rip at home (I was raised to rip fabric when squaring it up). My sis almost always rips backing fabric.

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    If you don't like ripping, then don't shop at Eleanor Burn's tent sales at Paducah. It's all ripped. Quilt shop quality fabric for $3 and $4 a yard, no time to cut with hundreds of customers in each tent. The rippers are fast and efficient. If you want cut fabric then you go to her quilt store there for that and pay more. The store is downtown Paducah., it's not located at the tent area.

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    i believe that where you pay more, they take the time to cut straight.

    if the crossgrain is offgrain and the fabric is ripped in that direction, the rip will also be offgrain. there is nothing that you can ever do to permanently make it square. even if you pull and tug and press it into somewhere-near-true, it will not stay there.

    if the rip is offgrain and you fold the fabric selvedge to selvedge, you will have 'ears' sticking out on both ends, which are not doubled and not usable. those will have to be trimmed away. that represents whole inches on each end. on the other hand, if the fabric is offgrain and is cut straight across, there it is. already cut straight with no 'ears'. in either case, if you plan to wash it before you cut, do something to keep the edges from fraying or you'll lose inches anyway. everyone has their favorite method and mine is to sew the two raw edges together, while the fabric is still folded lengthwise, to make a tube. i stay as close to the edge as possible and use a zigzag stitch.
    i really hope this helps explain the offgrain question.

    EDIT: within the last 25 years i can count on one hand the number of times i have gotten true-grain fabric regardless of price. including upholstery or other home dec or garment fabric. now that most fabrics are being made out-of-country (even by famous mills) this problem has gotten worse.

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    I have been ripping for over 25 years, with absolutely no problem and l have less squaring after the borders are on. For those that wash your fabric, you get less strings than what you get when you wash. I always press the long strips after I rip. It is just what you are confortable with.

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