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Thread: TOL Machines - now kinda bummed!

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    TOL Machines - now kinda bummed!

    Hi All-

    I was the one who started the recent thread about higher end machines and are they worth the money. So today, after putting on my new walking foot for my Bernina, I was thinking a lot about the features of a higher end machine. I think I finally "get it" as I don't have a thread cutter, knee lift, etc. and I REALLY WANT ONE! HA!

    I did test out the Brother Dreamweaver which for me was around $4k because of trade in and other discounts..now I really wonder if I should BUY the machine?? I have my own LA so harp space isn't an issue, but I would love a machine that can sew costumes, bags, quilts etc. My Bernina is super nice, but old, small and lighting isn't the best. I do have to say that those features of a high end machine, probably really do save you time in the long run..but what do I know??

    Anyways, kinda bummed, but then I think, well, I could put in a new driveway! HA! JC

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    I think you have to shop around a bit more - the Dreamweaver has every bell and whistle there is, but my Babylock Symphony which costs half as much has a thread cutter, pivot, knee lift - all of those gadgets. I believe the big difference is whether or not you want the embroidery stuff - that is what makes a huge jump in cost!

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    Quote Originally Posted by maminstl View Post
    I think you have to shop around a bit more - the Dreamweaver has every bell and whistle there is, but my Babylock Symphony which costs half as much has a thread cutter, pivot, knee lift - all of those gadgets. I believe the big difference is whether or not you want the embroidery stuff - that is what makes a huge jump in cost!
    Sounds like she was looking at the Dreamweaver version without embroidery, actually. If she found the one with embroidery for that price, let me know becuase I'll return the one I just bought and buy from that dealer instead LOL.

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    I paid $3000 a couple of years ago for my Bernina 440. It was a lot of money for me and it wiped out my pin money stash but I really wanted the Bernina Stitch Regulator. I would have liked the 820 but it was way beyond my budget.

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    Hi,

    I also have the Symphony and absolutely adore it!!
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    Since you have the long arm already. Look at the Laura Ashley Brother. My friend turned her's in for the Dreamweaver. She loved it, but you're right that Dreamweaver is something. The ott light, the motorized walking foot, the pen... If I didn't just buy a HQ Sweet Sixteen...I'd be looking too.

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    Dreamweaver is way worth the money, cost a pretty penny but ifI had to do it again I would buy it in a heartbeat. It is worth it alone for the muvit foot. that foot can sew any fabric, thick thin with ea. That is the main reason my the machine is priced so high is the muvit foot has its own motor, so if you are looking to sew difficult fabrics this is the machine for you. It is a lot of money but I think it is well priced for it features,and yes the symphony has a lot of features, I traded in my espire the one before the symphony and can say while it is cheaper it has nothing on the dreamweaver, you are paying for the laser, and the muvit foot, the pen, and the stadium lighting. JMHO from someone who had the symphony's predecessor and upgraded
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    Dreamweaver emb only is $3500.00 on long island at mr vac, mrs. Sew in wantaugh long island, ny

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    I have a Bernina 170 that is now about fifteen years old. I have never used the embroidery attachment. It can talk to PC but never has. The USB port is still a virgin. The only thing I wish it had is an auto cutter. It cost 3000 that many years ago.

    I love this machine and it does everything I need, even though I did buy more machine than I needed or really wanted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lynnie View Post
    Dreamweaver emb only is $3500.00 on long island at mr vac, mrs. Sew in wantaugh long island, ny
    Do you mean the Dreammaker? If so, that sounds about right. But the Dreamweaver has two versions - one for sewing and one for sewing and embroidery.

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    I just bought a Juki hzl-f600 has kneelift, thread cutter, auto threader, about $1000.00. I'm loving it.
    Had a designer 1 before .

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    All of these high end machines are beyond my budget ever.

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    I have a Juki 2000 which is just a straight stitch machine. I have a Janome if I need fancy stitches and whatnot... but I love my Juki. It sews an amazing stitch, can sew through just about anything including thick layers (a lot of other machines can not sew through like 8 layers of denim and if you make bags, that might be important to you) has the knee lift and scissors. The only thing that it's lacking is a tie off stitch but I'm good with that. I know it's a lot cheaper than the Brother you were looking at but it might be exactly what you are looking for - especially if you only need it for piecing.
    It also sews really, really, really fast which is great. It's all metal so it's a heavy machine.
    I've got friends with high end Berninas who love my Juki. A few of them are planning to get one. You've already got a longarm so I think maybe going this route might be a good way for you. It also has a 9" throat so if you are doing small projects that you don't want to put on the frame, you can easily handle it on the Juki.
    Save your extra money and go try out a Juki. At under $1000, your extra money can buy a whole lot of supplies...

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    This is just my opinion-but I think you first need to decide on your top dollar that you are willing or can spend. Then you need to decide on what options you wish to have or feel you need on a machine. Next go try out all the different makes of machines within that budget. Find the one that feels the best to you that has the options that you want. We all have great machines, but my Janome 7700 may not feel good to someone else & visa versa. I could not live without a thread cutter or the knee lift which my machine has. All the other fancy stuff is just icing on the cake so to speak.
    You said you already have a longarm so harp space isn't important, well I also have a longarm and my 7700 has 11" harp space. That is one of the wonderful features I love about it. It gives me freedom to move things around and I also keep my tweezers & small scissors right inside my harp space so I don't have to look for them. They are always within reach. Just because we all love our machines, doesn't mean that you would. Don't just buy a model because a few or many say it's a wonderful machine, it maybe to them, but might not to you. TRY OUT MANY BEFORE BUYING!!!!!

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    I bought a Dreammaker Innov'iv Ve2000 embroidery only , The one that sews and embroideries is what I should have gotten. so I could use it more than embroidery, even though I have another machine to sew and do some quilting on.
    I have found that Brother's machines serve me well, also have my singers.
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    Why would you not upgrade with a new Bernina. There are several new Berninas that are not so expensive and have all the new features. Do you have a local Bernina dealer. If so, please check them out. Nothing sews like a Bernina!

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    I had a Bernina 440 which I loved. Traded it in on Bernina 730 which is a nice machine and has an embrodary attachment. But I wish I could have afforded to keep the 440 it was a work horse. The 730 is a little more tempermental.

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    Before I bought a Viking, I listed all of the features I really wanted in my machine. Then I did comparisons online with all the major machines. The Viking does exactly what I need and I am thrilled with it. Took a lot of homework, but I was happy as a lark

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    I have a Bernina QE (something or other). Love it for the zig-zag, knee lift, and ability to reposition the needle. It is sad to say that I have not discovered 1/10th of what it can do and I have had it over 10 years. I only wish it had a deeper throat for quilting

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    what is a pen, that you are talking about? thanks...

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    I have two Viking sewing/embroidery machines. Find I am not doing much embroidery now and am doing more quilting. If there was a Brother/Babylock dealer in this area I would have looked to them for another machine. We only have Viking/Pfaff in this area.

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    Have you found that the stitch regulator works and worth the money?
    Quote Originally Posted by Tartan View Post
    I paid $3000 a couple of years ago for my Bernina 440. It was a lot of money for me and it wiped out my pin money stash but I really wanted the Bernina Stitch Regulator. I would have liked the 820 but it was way beyond my budget.

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    I have the Husqvarna Viking Designer Diamond Deluxe-TOL embroidery machine for Viking. Second inline is the Ruby which is close the being same as the Diamond, only smaller but gorgeous wonderful machine that I have heard wonderful things about. Of course I love my DDD and it is one awesome machine. Now Pfaff has a new TOL, Creative Sensation to check out as well. Its all in what you want bells and whistles wise and the $$$.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twinkie View Post
    All of these high end machines are beyond my budget ever.
    That's ok... because you don't need them to quilt. Our ancestors quilted with basic machines and a needle and thread. They turned out works of art. TOL is nice, but not a necessity.

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    It looks to me like I may be running with the wrong crowd! I couldn't begin to think of paying more than $1,000 for a sewing machine and I'm absolutely sure I can get one with a thread cutter, good light, lots of decorative stitches
    and up/down needle control plus lots of attachments for a whole lot less. My Janome Memory Craft 4800 is 14 yers old, my Kenmore with cams is more than 50 years old and I've got a great straight stitch Singer from the 1940's in a cabinet to die for and only the Janome cost more than $300. Those of you who have the kind of money that allows you to have problems choosing a machine that costs several thousand $ should count yourselves very lucky! froggyintexas
    Quote Originally Posted by Hockeyrabbit View Post
    Hi All-

    I was the one who started the recent thread about higher end machines and are they worth the money. So today, after putting on my new walking foot for my Bernina, I was thinking a lot about the features of a higher end machine. I think I finally "get it" as I don't have a thread cutter, knee lift, etc. and I REALLY WANT ONE! HA!

    I did test out the Brother Dreamweaver which for me was around $4k because of trade in and other discounts..now I really wonder if I should BUY the machine?? I have my own LA so harp space isn't an issue, but I would love a machine that can sew costumes, bags, quilts etc. My Bernina is super nice, but old, small and lighting isn't the best. I do have to say that those features of a high end machine, probably really do save you time in the long run..but what do I know??

    Anyways, kinda bummed, but then I think, well, I could put in a new driveway! HA! JC

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