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    Senior Member Little RoO's Avatar
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    Truly am on the verge of tears here.......I posted earlier that I am having problems with my Janome 6600.....it sews absolutely beautiful but I cannot get it to FMQ.......sometimes it does the most beautiful FMQ then I stop for a moment ...move to another area and all I get is loose stitches on the bottom as if there is no tension....I haven't changed anything settre the same Mode 2 stitch 11...feet down...tension 5 pressure 1 good thread new needle....so I rethread top and bottom and still a mess......has this happened to anyone else.....I am really fed up with this.....am on the verge of tears here....have spent yet another wasted night trying to sort it.
    If it did it all the time would take it back to the dealer but think it must be something I am doing wrong...please help

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    I am sorry I can not help. I have had moments like that with my 6500 but it was usually something like the wrong thread. something I have been doing lately is NOT dropping the feed dogs, setting it to quilt mode 2 and then just quilt away. I get a more consistent stitch and less hasle. Have you tried replacing the needle or putting in a new bobbin? sometimes all I need to do is step away for a day and then I am fine again.

    There is a list on Yahoo for people that have Janome 6600. Mine is its forerunner, Janome 6500. sometimes a mess on the back means tension issues on top. I have also had issues that my spray baste was jsut too much and goopie.
    Also did you change your tension to close to 1?

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    I don't have a Janome, so I can't give you specifics...I can tell you I had the same issues, and I was so upset, almost giving up...and I am not a quitter....I finally ordered in different fmq feet than what came with my machine...found out they are smaller, and therefore they hold the fabric correctly for fmq, no more needle beakage, thread breakage, or icky stitching on the back and taking out all of it...so, maybe that is a suggestion?? I am sending you a quilt hug, and I know there will be some veteran fmqer's come along to help you...
    Take care,
    Kif
    PS I have a post on here about it, too... http://www.quiltingboard.com/t-153683-1.htm

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    Does your Janome dealer offer a class?

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    I have a 6600 but I dont FMQ. My suggestion is that you get on the 6600 group on Yahoo and ask the same question.

    I have the blue bobbin casing just in case I ever decide to FMQ.

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    Sorry you are having problems!
    When you said "Feet Down" i'm guessing that's feed dogs down. Also you said it happens when you move to another area. So you are actually lifting the needle & presser foot to shift the fabric. Are you sure that you are lowering the presser foot when you get to the new area? The loops on the bottom are the classic symptom of no tension on the top thread, and the way the tension is applied is when you lower the presser foot.
    Maybe someone else will have other suggestions.

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    Do you have a single needle stitch plate?

    Can you post a closeup of the bad stitches?

    I would try a different size of needle and thread, to see if it helps.

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    Oh my goodness....Anna quilts....I have just raised the feed dogs and guess what perfect stitches again and again.....I don't understand why it makes such a difference but I think you might have just saved my sanity.
    It is 11.30pm here in the UK and I haven't managed to get it sew properly since 7pm....had tried everything, cleaning...new needle...new bobbin...different threads but never thought to raise the feed....as I said have just tried it and like magic... perfect tension......thank you, thank you, thank you.

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    I'm not familiar with your machine, but just in case, I thought I would tell you that I have heard that top loading machines don't do fmq as well as front loading ones. I have no experience of this, so it might be wrong, and loads of members get on really well with their top loaders.

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    Is your needle in the left position? My Janome has to be in this postiton to quilt. If not I get a mess, loose threads and pulled threads. Try this and see what happens.

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    Since feed dogs UP makes the stitching better, could there be a problem with the darning foot not pressing hard enough?

    If you have a local dealer, try out the janome 1600p. Side loadig bobbin, straight stitch only. It runs about $600-1000 in the usa. Crazy as it seems, it may make sense to have one machine for sewing/ quilt assembly - the high end machine - and another straight stitch only machine for FMQ.

    You could even park yourself at their machine and keep going until your project is done - test it thoroughly!

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    A lot of FMQ'ers prefer FMQing with the feed dogs up. So glad it worked for you!

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    So glad you got it to work properly, I would go to the shop that you bought the machine from tell them what happened & ask them for further advise.

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    There is no law that says you have to put your feed dogs down. When I first started I took a class and the teacher actually suggested keeping them up until we were confortable with the motions. Also, remember to trim your bottom thread when going from one place to another if not a continuous line.

    Good luck! And take a deep breath. A lot of us have been there. You are not alone. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little RoO
    Oh my goodness....Anna quilts....I have just raised the feed dogs and guess what perfect stitches again and again.....I don't understand why it makes such a difference but I think you might have just saved my sanity.
    It is 11.30pm here in the UK and I haven't managed to get it sew properly since 7pm....had tried everything, cleaning...new needle...new bobbin...different threads but never thought to raise the feed....as I said have just tried it and like magic... perfect tension......thank you, thank you, thank you.
    Isn't it amazing someone in another country, across the ocean, can reach out and save someone's sanity? Truly caring enough to stop and help; online Good Samaritans indeed.

    :thumbup:

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    I don't have this machine, but for me it always turned out to be one of two things. Either it is not threaded through the very last spot before the needle or I forgot to put my presser foot DOWN.

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    I have the 6600 and never had one problem FMQing. I do it with feed dogs down, use a FMQ foot and go at a moderate speed. The 6600s are notorious for having the the thread jump out of the uptake lever. If that happens thread it opposite of what the manual tells you. Also, join the yahoo group. Lots of help there.

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    I feel for you. Are you a long way from your dealer? Call them if it is operator error they may be able to help you over the phone. If not you may need to make a trip to get it fixed. My dealer for my Tin Lizzie is about 6 hr away, one way, I have made a lot of phone calls LOL and have gotten a lot of help with my operator error! I have called so much everyone there knows my voice! Don't have to introduce myself anymore,

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    This sounds like when you move to another spot you aren't using the same motion with the speed of the machine as you did in the previous spot. If you are doing more intricate work be sure and slow the speed of the machine down. Hope this helps.
    Tammy

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    Yeah!!!! Love a happy ending...I know how miserable projects can turn!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenheron
    Quote Originally Posted by Little RoO
    Oh my goodness....Anna quilts....I have just raised the feed dogs and guess what perfect stitches again and again.....I don't understand why it makes such a difference but I think you might have just saved my sanity.
    It is 11.30pm here in the UK and I haven't managed to get it sew properly since 7pm....had tried everything, cleaning...new needle...new bobbin...different threads but never thought to raise the feed....as I said have just tried it and like magic... perfect tension......thank you, thank you, thank you.
    Isn't it amazing someone in another country, across the ocean, can reach out and save someone's sanity? Truly caring enough to stop and help; online Good Samaritans indeed.

    :thumbup:
    I agree. This board has been such a help to me so many times. It rocks!!

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    I do not drop my dog feeds but I do use the supreme slider, gene bobbin and the blue bobbin case, I find changing the needle to a quilting needle helps alot when FMQ'ing. Good luck hang in there. Oh...and when I used June taylor spray my thread would break alot...I switched to 505 spray and now it works really well. Oh and also make sure you pull the bottom thread up to the top of the quilt.

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    I have a 6600 and fmq a lot. I have had to change my tension to between 5-6, if the problem is with the back of the quilt. Also I have learned to not turn quit so fast and the stitches stay more even on the back.
    But I am going to try and raise the feed dog up. I have heard a lot of quilters do this and the stitches are better.

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    Since it does seem to work in one spot, I would wonder if that is at the beginning of your sewing/quilting session. If it does sew better at the beginning, finish that section, then when you want to move to another section turn your machine off and leave the room for a few moments to rest, stretch, de-stress, and have a drink of water! Then when you are a bit more relaxed, remove and re-thread the top and remove and reinsert your bobbin, as if starting fresh again. Some machines are very fussy and need some TLC. I have also found that using the same thread top and bottom is crucial (different colors are okay)! My mom has a Janome Quilter's Companion that seems to be a little needy, as well!

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    Little Roo....I am dealing with the exact same thing right now with my 6600. Literally, I've spent the last 3 nights fudging with this quilt. I've switched threads, switched needles,switched needle sizes, changed tension, changed pressure, used the blue bobbin casing, and cleaned/ recleaned the machine, and rethreaded it a million times. I am very experienced at FMQ so I know what I'm doing with speed, etc..
    I had a basic little 4623 janome with a small throat and got beautiful FMQ stitches, no messing around. This machine is so tempermental. I love the larger harp but there are ( many ) times I've regretted the money I spent on it.I'm gonna try to raise my feed dogs too.

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