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Thread: What causes birds nests on quilt back? (picture included)

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    Super Member Rachelcb80's Avatar
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    At the moment I'm cussing my new machine and going through the, "I hate you and I wish I never would have bought you" deal. First was the tension, next skipped stitches and now birds nests. I got the tension issues under control and am working on the skipped stitches but I have no clue what causes the occasional tangled mass of thread on the back side of my quilt. It's the top thread tangling on the bottom. Sometimes I hear it happen and can stop and pick but other times I don't know it's happened until I turn the quilt over. Very, very frustrating and slow moving quilting. :(

    I'm using King Tut on the top and Bottom Line in the bobbin. Cleaned and oiled the machine well before I started quilting and put a new needle in (Microtex 90/14). I've got hubby bringing me home some different needles tonight but other than that I don't know what else to try. Any and all suggestions more than appreciated!

    (Yes that's a safety pin in the picture on the front side but no I did not run over it with my foot to possibly cause the tangled thread)
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    Well all the other stitching is great. I will be watching this post to learn myself, what causes this. Sorry I don't know now, burt will in a few minutes.
    peace.

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    Mine does it when I don't have the tension right or I go to fast for the machine, then I really have a mess!!

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    First off, what machine are you talking about. A home machine or a longarm? I'm guess your home machine because of your needle type & size. Have your tried a topstitch needle? For King Tut a Topstitch #90/14 It has a slightly bigger eye and longer grove for your thread, so less tension all ways. Double check to make sure that your bobbin thread is in correctly, I have found that many of the ladies don't know that the thread should come off the bobbin counter clockwise. It looks like to me that your top tension may be off a bit. Make yourself a small quilt sandwich with the exact fabrics you are using now, and try again with needle change. Then try a different bobbin thread, maybe the difference in the King Tut and bottom line is too much. Just some suggestions. Good luck.

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    Bottom line is finer. You probably need to tighten the bobbin tension. If there seems to be a lot of slop in the bobbin case, they make washers to fill the space so the bobbin can't spin freely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MamaHen
    First off, what machine are you talking about. A home machine or a longarm? I'm guess your home machine because of your needle type & size. Have your tried a topstitch needle? For King Tut a Topstitch #90/14 It has a slightly bigger eye and longer grove for your thread, so less tension all ways. Double check to make sure that your bobbin thread is in correctly, I have found that many of the ladies don't know that the thread should come off the bobbin counter clockwise. It looks like to me that your top tension may be off a bit. Make yourself a small quilt sandwich with the exact fabrics you are using now, and try again with needle change. Then try a different bobbin thread, maybe the difference in the King Tut and bottom line is too much. Just some suggestions. Good luck.
    My machine is a Bernina 820. There's only one way you can put the bobbin in as it's marked with sensors on one side that have to face out. You run the thread through the side slit and back to the thread cutter. I'm 99% certain it's threaded correctly.

    I have my husband bringing me home some topstitching needles in the 90/14 size. I had my top tension lowered some but it was pulling through a lot on the back. Lowered the bobbin tension and raised the top a little. Other than the birds nests it looks like the tension is okay. Should I try raising the top tension a little more still?

    I'll have to get through with the Bottom Line for now because I really don't want two different threads on the back. It's a plain white back and I'm worried two different threads, even though the same color, would be obvious. But maybe I'll put some regular cotton Mettler in the bobbin and see if that looks okay and acts better. I suppose a slight thread change is better than tangles all over.

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    I'm feeling your pain. I bought a 820 and mine is skipping stitches and eyelashing, but hoping I've resolved the eyelashing issue. I did a search on some Bernina groups and skipping stitches seems to be fairly common. I'll be watching to see what responses you get.

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    The only time I get a bird's nest is if I don't bring the bobbin thread up through the sandwich...this may be a dumb question, but you are bringing up the bobbin thread through the sandwich, right? ;)

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    Are you pulling your bobbin thread to the top? I think that coul d be it.

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    hold on to your top and bottom thread to start also

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    Are you bringing the bottom thread up to the top on your first stitch?

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    Does this always happen you hit a peak and turn back the other way(sorry, I'm not very good at explaining it, hope you are understanding)? I didn't catch what you are quilting on, but maybe it could the back lash on the bobbin thread.

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    I dont know the answer, I have slot of problems with FM, and really want a 820, to solve all my problems LOL!

    but anyway when I was having problems with my machine someone suggested bobbin washers to help this problem, I haven't tried them because I have never found them for sale in my area but they sound like they would fix this sort of thing. Maybe someone else knows more about them

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    I always bring my bobbin thread to the top before I begin quilting, though this is the top thread tangling on the bottom. This is happening long after starting but I can't tell if there's a pattern to when or where it happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tutt
    I'm feeling your pain. I bought a 820 and mine is skipping stitches and eyelashing, but hoping I've resolved the eyelashing issue. I did a search on some Bernina groups and skipping stitches seems to be fairly common. I'll be watching to see what responses you get.
    I'm sorry you're having trouble with your 820 too. Like you I've read quite a bit online and seems these are common problems. Very disappointing for a machine with a price tag like these ones have. Doesn't seem anyone gets much help from their dealer either. Almost like they're trying to pretend the problems don't exist. I really, really regret purchasing this machine and wish I'd have gone with the Janome Horizon, for less than HALF the cost. :(

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    I've been somewhat disappointed as well, I haven't been back to the dealer yet, but will. If I find out anything, I'll let you know.

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    Are you using a single hole plate. That usually helps. Also, just holding the top thread down firmly for the first 2 or 3 stitches will solve the birds nest problem.

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    Is it possible to put a Magic Genie Bobbin Washer in your bobbin case?

    Might sound silly, but I had an unbelieveable improvement after putting them in my vertical bobbin machines. I posted about them the other day and put a picture in there.

    These were some old placemats where I was practicing tiny filler designs in between the print designs on the front - so the backs don't look so hot.

    The bobbin washers happened to come in the mail while I was playing with this, so I popped one in. All those teeny little thread nests were gone, instantly. The placemat on the right was the first one I did after getting the washer put in. I haven't taken any pictures lately, but the improvement is even greater on big swoop-y designs - feathers and swirls and stuff.
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    I am new at this but I was told to bring my bobbin thread up to the top of the quilt to prevent birds nests.

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    This is my thought and experience also.


    Quote Originally Posted by skippitydodahquilts
    The only time I get a bird's nest is if I don't bring the bobbin thread up through the sandwich...this may be a dumb question, but you are bringing up the bobbin thread through the sandwich, right? ;)

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    I would suggest calling the sewing machine dealer and asking them - I know I have had problems like yours and I was ready to give the machine away (it was brand new) - I bet they will have some idea and then you can fall in love with your machine again.

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    If this is at the beginning of your stitching, pull the bobbin thread up to the top. If it's in the middle, you might be changing directions a little too fast and causing backlash in the bobbin. Bobbin Genies help a lot with backlash.

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    I agree with trying a Bobbin Genie, available from Clotilde or Nancy's Notions I think.

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    Could the problem possible be the thread? Using a (50) heavy weight(the purple Mettler writhing on spool) with the 90/14 needle when sewing the sandwich pieces.

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    Just check that this isn't caused by your thread snagging on the spool whilst you are sewing. Some of the spools are a bit rough or have a little bit of plastic sticking out at the edge of the spool and although it is easy to not notice it, I find that my cottons snag on it, so I have a little file that I smooth the rough bits off with. Then I haven't had this happen. All the best.

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