SteveH

or practice using the same hand for pressing and guiding.... yeah, there is a reason that it evolved.....

J Miller

Sabine,

I did a google search for the Model 12. There was a bunch of pics that show parts and things I don't see on yours. Here's the link to that page: { https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?...&hsimp=yhs-002 }, perhaps the pics might help with your machine.


Joe

SteveH

Great list Joe!

The model 12 was one of the most produced machines of the 19th century. It is the basis of ALL of the "high arm" transverse machines made in Europe. You can actually follow the production history by tracking the changes to the bobbin winder itself. Sabine's is one of the earlier ones with no guides. (the three hand issue precipitated a lot of the evolutions)

sews

Hi Joe -- thank you for that search link -- it supplied links to blogs that I had not visited before, one with very detailed info but of an earlier vintage - 1874 - http://theprojectlady.blogspot.com/2...nk-sewing.html and with a different bobbin winder. However, all that info helps, either adding to or excluding possibilities.
This 1874 winder actually has a SET SCREW that holds it in place. HUH? Seems like that should definitely have remained as a very helpful feature.

My machine has a hole at the edge in the same location where this winder attaches!
It made me wonder whether the winder unit that I have was actually even original to the machine since it does not fit quite right... A lot can happen in 127 years!

Over the 40 years this machine was produced (until 1902, I believe) there have been improvements and parts added to the winding mechanism, like the ladle type thingy that helps distribute the thread on the spool. However, mine isn't that advanced. (My Anker has it, and that too was a pain to figure out LOL. )

Thanks again for eveyone's thoughts and leads.

(Edited to provide the correct link to the 1874 Singer 12 blog)
http://theprojectlady.blogspot.com/2...nk-sewing.html

SteveH

Here is a MOP Singer 12 with winder like yours
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here is a pair of 13's (Industrial version of the 12) showing two versions
NOTE: that this one has an extra piece that when the winder is moved in place it can be turned to lock it in place. (green Arrow)
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sews

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Where is the tire? This unit reminds me of the 1874 one, attached at a place near the edge of the plate. My machine has a provision for that as well, so it seems, but it was never used:

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This is starting to make my head spin. I think I'll go outside and enjoy the precious W Washington sunshine instead!!

Later - thanks :-) !!

sews

It's all good!!!

The culprit was the belt guard! It is probably an exchange for one that broke or was never there in the first place. It was such a tight fit. The decals are also a bit different...

DH removed it, re-installed the bobbin winder and voila, we have a functioning unit. It works just fine and there is no need for 3-handed operation, apparently it stays in place. DH is going to grind off a tiny bit off the winder and that should solve the problem


Again, thanks for your help!

Sewnoma

That sure is a pretty machine! Congratulations!

manicmike

Great to read. Sorry I didn't notice the other questions, not that I could answer them anyway (my 12 is with a dear friend).

Pam KC

I have the same machine and winder. My winder will only stay against the hand wheel by holding it in place with my hand. How does your winder stay against the hand wheel without having to hold it in place with your hand? Thank you.