For giggles, continued, I saw it on...
#2811
Rodney quoted his friend:
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"There's the craftsmanship of certainty and of uncertainty. The perfection and repeatabilty of work done by machine is the craftsmanship of certainty. The work done by hand where no two pieces are alike is the craftmanship of uncertainty. It depends entirely on the skill of the person doing the work."
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AWESOME! Shared this with my artist husband who wants to post it on his FB page :-) .
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"There's the craftsmanship of certainty and of uncertainty. The perfection and repeatabilty of work done by machine is the craftsmanship of certainty. The work done by hand where no two pieces are alike is the craftmanship of uncertainty. It depends entirely on the skill of the person doing the work."
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AWESOME! Shared this with my artist husband who wants to post it on his FB page :-) .
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#2812
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Rodney that is a perfect way of explaining it. Now I can end the ongoing debate between me and my mom. She does beautiful hand work, I do machine work. She says machine embroidery is like cheating, but my hand work sucks so I do it by machine.
Cari
Cari
#2813
I have to say that there seems to be a certain skill to setting up an embroidery machine too. One person I know keeps telling me that her machine is broken because it stitches the first color of a built-in design right, sometimes even the first few, then it scoots off and puts the last color or maybe the last one she tries somewhere completely different. Yet somehow, if someone else sits at the machine and does it, it works. As a certified tech for that brand, I have nothing I can troubleshoot to fix the problem she's having and the mother company has no suggestion other than "try another pattern?" because there are no real diagnostics for that situation. I've sat with her while it stitches out a pattern and the machine behaves.
The same is true of computerized quilting machines. There's a skillset in setting things up to work like you want them to, especially for custom work. It's a different skill set and some people love that vs the "manual" method. Sometimes it's even predictable. I'm a computer technician by training, you'd think I'd have a computer on my machine. I don't. I went completely the other way with sewing machines - strictly vintage or hand-guided.
I agree with Rodney's friend's definition though. Predictability does come once one has developed the skills to make the darn machine do what you want it to when you want it to.
The same is true of computerized quilting machines. There's a skillset in setting things up to work like you want them to, especially for custom work. It's a different skill set and some people love that vs the "manual" method. Sometimes it's even predictable. I'm a computer technician by training, you'd think I'd have a computer on my machine. I don't. I went completely the other way with sewing machines - strictly vintage or hand-guided.
I agree with Rodney's friend's definition though. Predictability does come once one has developed the skills to make the darn machine do what you want it to when you want it to.
#2815
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#2816
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I have to say that there seems to be a certain skill to setting up an embroidery machine too. One person I know keeps telling me that her machine is broken because it stitches the first color of a built-in design right, sometimes even the first few, then it scoots off and puts the last color or maybe the last one she tries somewhere completely different. Yet somehow, if someone else sits at the machine and does it, it works. As a certified tech for that brand, I have nothing I can troubleshoot to fix the problem she's having and the mother company has no suggestion other than "try another pattern?" because there are no real diagnostics for that situation. I've sat with her while it stitches out a pattern and the machine behaves.
The same is true of computerized quilting machines. There's a skillset in setting things up to work like you want them to, especially for custom work. It's a different skill set and some people love that vs the "manual" method. Sometimes it's even predictable. I'm a computer technician by training, you'd think I'd have a computer on my machine. I don't. I went completely the other way with sewing machines - strictly vintage or hand-guided.
I agree with Rodney's friend's definition though. Predictability does come once one has developed the skills to make the darn machine do what you want it to when you want it to.
The same is true of computerized quilting machines. There's a skillset in setting things up to work like you want them to, especially for custom work. It's a different skill set and some people love that vs the "manual" method. Sometimes it's even predictable. I'm a computer technician by training, you'd think I'd have a computer on my machine. I don't. I went completely the other way with sewing machines - strictly vintage or hand-guided.
I agree with Rodney's friend's definition though. Predictability does come once one has developed the skills to make the darn machine do what you want it to when you want it to.
Cari
#2817
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/art/4805487909.html
$600 "Made in Germany"
Here it comes in handy to know your history and geography. This machine is from EAST Germany: "Hergestellt in der DDR" and I personally wouldn't touch East German products with a ten foot pole. They are all considered to be very inferior, made by state owned factories where nobody really cared too much about anything since there was no competition in the market place. ("VEB Naehmaschinenwerk")
BTW, it can do SS *AND* ZZ, that *must* be worth $600 --- or 600 East German Deutsch Marks LOL
$600 "Made in Germany"
Here it comes in handy to know your history and geography. This machine is from EAST Germany: "Hergestellt in der DDR" and I personally wouldn't touch East German products with a ten foot pole. They are all considered to be very inferior, made by state owned factories where nobody really cared too much about anything since there was no competition in the market place. ("VEB Naehmaschinenwerk")
BTW, it can do SS *AND* ZZ, that *must* be worth $600 --- or 600 East German Deutsch Marks LOL
#2818
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Went this morning to buy this, only to get one with a cockroach on it . once and we walk through the mud. The seller starts in with >>> "I looked in the internet last night " " I think is was made in 1911 what do you think" reply yep around 1911.
seller. "I going to have to get alittle more for it" ( just not from me) so the price went from $5 usd to $30 usd
The guy was a 30 ish type, so anything from 1911 is valuable, rather than tell him where to kiss himself, I told him how to clean it up and maybe find parts for it, plus gave him an address 10 miles away to a singer treadle that works for $40.
I head home via a hardware store for more glue. In walks my cousin, he tells me, he and rod are repairing a door at the CC center come over and shoot the BS. I do.
Then tell this SM story. rob looks up and starts in with his dads machines ( Old Fred)
I told this story afew days ago.... Turns out There is still over a 100 machines , between 20/30 complete treadles Rob is Freds son, He said go see him.
the machine are still there, there in the same place, last time I saw them must have been mid to late 80's. There's a little sewing machine Gold mine there .. Gold being toys to play with.
I have to thank the C/L seller for jacking the price or I wouldn't have stopped at that hardware store today
Betting Fred has 3 complete Franklins lolol
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seller. "I going to have to get alittle more for it" ( just not from me) so the price went from $5 usd to $30 usd
The guy was a 30 ish type, so anything from 1911 is valuable, rather than tell him where to kiss himself, I told him how to clean it up and maybe find parts for it, plus gave him an address 10 miles away to a singer treadle that works for $40.
I head home via a hardware store for more glue. In walks my cousin, he tells me, he and rod are repairing a door at the CC center come over and shoot the BS. I do.
Then tell this SM story. rob looks up and starts in with his dads machines ( Old Fred)
I told this story afew days ago.... Turns out There is still over a 100 machines , between 20/30 complete treadles Rob is Freds son, He said go see him.
the machine are still there, there in the same place, last time I saw them must have been mid to late 80's. There's a little sewing machine Gold mine there .. Gold being toys to play with.
I have to thank the C/L seller for jacking the price or I wouldn't have stopped at that hardware store today
Betting Fred has 3 complete Franklins lolol
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#2820
This seller needs their bubble burst. . .
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Antique...item20f28b5854
if you really think you have something rare and unusual, you could at least take halfway decent pictures of it. . .
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Antique...item20f28b5854
if you really think you have something rare and unusual, you could at least take halfway decent pictures of it. . .
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