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Thread: 1891 Singer Model ?

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    1891 Singer Model ?

    When I went to pick up a Kohler sewing machine today there was also an old Singer there that was calling my name. It is in really rough shape and probably cannot be restored but I couldn't just leave it there, now could I? The serial number, 10,002,165, indicates it was made in 1891. I'm not having any luck with identifying the model. Here are a couple of photos. There is an empty mount where the bobbin winder used to be. The bobbin case is also missing
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    oh, that machine is SO not beyond hope... It actually looks to be in remarkably GOOD shape for the type/age.
    It would be a fun project... and a sweat machine when done...

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    I have to agree with SteveH, it would be a beautiful machine cleaned up.

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    I guess my first project, after I identify it, is to find out if I can still get the missing parts.

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    Looks just like my "fiddle base" 1891 Singer VS2 (VS = Vibrating Shuttle)Name:  1891 Singer VS 2.png
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    Wow! That's it, QuiltnCowgirl. Wish I had that treadle base for it. The whole bobbin assembly (or whatever it is called) is missing as well as the bobbin winder. Anyone know where I could get these? (see photos)
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    Name:  1891 Singer VS 2 coffin top treadle.png
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Size:  799.0 KBThe only person I knew of isn't on the Quilting Board any more. I hope someone has ideas for you, though, as it would be a nice accomplishment to get yours prettied back up & running. For a cabinet, you might keep you eye open for one on Craigslist. Sometimes there is a cabinet that needs refinishing.

    Here's a pic of my cabinet with the coffin top on. I really stumbled on a great deal when I found this on CL. The seller was the now elderly granddaughter of the original owner. She even had the original sale receipt in one of the drawers. Her husband is a woodworker and he kept the cabinet oiled and cared for all the years his wife, the granddaughter, had owned it.

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    just an example of the parts around.

    (I am NOT recommending that you get these... just showing what is out there)

    Someone on here will probably have everything you need and not want it themselves...

    Bobbin winder
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Singer-2-VS2...item51a3440363

    shuttle pitman arm
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Singer-2-VS2...item51a345eb01

    shuttle carrier
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Singer-2-VS2...item460969841d

    Shuttle
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Singer-Shutt...item2ec7b786ab

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    SteveH - I saw a few of these items on ebay. What scares me is this. I have no idea what all I need. For example you listed the shuttle pitman arm. I didn't even know about that. I assumed there would be some sort of complete assembly that would go on the bolt shown in the above photo. Oh, how I wish I could find a good repair person in the Salt Lake City area. I've talked to a couple but they seem to only work on the modern ones and give me a shrug and say something like, "Well, I'll give it a try". Not very encouraging.

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    That is an awesome machine. I am sure it is just wanting to sew again. Love it.

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    well patience is one of the few virtues I have left, so....

    If you are willing to we can walk through it here or through Email or PM.

    You can take a few specific photos, we can do some research, and go from there. Like a view of the bottom that is "straight at it", then we can ask for more from there.

    Remote serviceish...

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    I have this same machine also with the cabinet and all mine is missing the front slide plate so am looking for one of them my son found it for me for Christmas present i was thrilled it such a pretty machine.

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    Beautiful machine.
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    Treat people the way you want to be treated!!

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    mkay - I saw some of the slide plates on ebay. Mine has both of the slide plates but I can't get them to budge. I'm not sure what to put on them to free them up. A lot of posts say not to use WD40. I've seen some that use kerosene. I just don't want to damage the finish on the machine.

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    NO on the WD-40 (Stands for Water Displacement formula #40) when it dries it leaves a residue that is not a lubricant and will actually stick the machine up.

    Use Tri-Flo or sewing machine oil. Really. it will loosen over time. Sewing machine oil also leaves a residue (varnish) but it is not as bad as the WD-40. Tri-Flow is a silicon based product that leaves a silicon residue which is still a lubricant even when dry.

    A more expensive solution is Kroil. It is a penetrating oil that is very popular with gunsmiths and the like. but it is 2x the price of the others.

    Using the heat from a hairdryer will also help (be careful metal parts heat up quick)

    I am currently working out a method to reliably make replacement slides for folks. I make the straight ones no problem, but the ones with the "bite" taken out are more challenging to get correct on a reliable basis. I even have a sample that I am working from to copy.

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    SteveH - I sent you a private message this morning about the missing bobbin. I just checked and my sent message is not there. Don't know where it when. Will try it again. Thanks for the heads up on the WD-40 and alternatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joyce29 View Post
    SteveH - I sent you a private message this morning about the missing bobbin. I just checked and my sent message is not there. Don't know where it when. Will try it again. Thanks for the heads up on the WD-40 and alternatives.
    No problem, I got your message both times. I sent you an email.

    Steve

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    I have some kerosene and sewing machine oil that came with my Janome. Will these work for loosening the slide plates without damaging the finish on the machine or decals? If not, I'll make a trip to the store for something else.

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    What a cutie !!! All those flowers, no wonder you brought it home, who wouldn't ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joyce29 View Post
    I have some kerosene and sewing machine oil that came with my Janome. Will these work for loosening the slide plates without damaging the finish on the machine or decals? If not, I'll make a trip to the store for something else.
    Kerosene is a great cleaner but harsh on paint/decals
    Oil will work just fine. It has on all 15 of the ones I have "broken loose"

    I replied to your email. Simple parts needed, I included the links as well.

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    It is darling, make a good sewing room deco.
    Freedom is costly and quilting keeps us busy...

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    That is one great find!

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    That is the one that I want for myself. Lucky you!

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    What a lovely machine. I would have brought it home too. Steve, so good of you to help restore this beauty. great people on this board.

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    I have one like yours but your example is superior. Wait till you clean it up, it's BEAUTIFUL!!!!

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