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Thread: Interesting Singer 15 clone- Dragon Lady

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    Interesting Singer 15 clone- Dragon Lady

    Just saw this on Craigslist in MA- seller thinks it is a Standard. http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/art/4543436541.html
    I've sent a query for a photo of the golden nameplate on the pillar and the serial #. The Dragon Lady is wearing a Chinese style beanie cap. Anyone recognize this clone?
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    Could it be one of the Chinese repos put into a vintage case? Something about it makes me think so.

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    I don't believe this is a clone. Standard made their own machines and if I remember correctly they were bought out by White. The decal isn't a dragon lady but rather a Sphinx. The wording of the ad makes one think the machine is rare when its not. Its a beautiful machine but not worth anywhere near the asking price.

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    That is recent made machine. I'd say it is a clone as it's basically a copy of the Singer 15 as was the Japanese made machines of the 40s and 50s. Probably Chinese or Indian made.

    The case base is the bottom of an Asian made bent wood case. I have one with a Singer 66 in it. They tend to be more redish than the walnut or oak colored originals.

    It's for sure a beautiful machine I'd love to have. But I'll settle for putting the photo in my Clones from A to Z collection.

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    That's pretty much my guess too. Chinese made 15 clone inspired by (direct ripoff of?) the sphinx pattern. The Chinese machines I've seen tend to be a bit louder in the decoration department than the Japanese machines. This one qualifies.
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    Haven't heard back from the seller. I also think it's a Chinese Singer 15 clone, as I had gently emailed the seller.

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    If I got hold of that machine I'd drop it in a treadle. That would be an attention getter for sure.

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    FYI - Standard (the company) was took over by Osann, which was then taken over by Singer. White eventually merged with Viking, and finally Singer, Pfaff and Viking all ended up under the same cooperate roof.

    One thing very typical of many Japanese post war machines - they used "names" that would be familiar with US customers - anything they could get by with, I've seen Davis, Standard, Howe and variations of others. So any US company that was defunct was fair game for them.
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    I have a question I got a white singer it Is a feather weight and the front little bed is missing the one in front of the plate does anybody have one they want to sell and how much is it please help me I just got and need this part didn't know it was missing until after I bought it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macybaby View Post
    FYI - Standard (the company) was took over by Osann, which was then taken over by Singer. White eventually merged with Viking, and finally Singer, Pfaff and Viking all ended up under the same cooperate roof.

    One thing very typical of many Japanese post war machines - they used "names" that would be familiar with US customers - anything they could get by with, I've seen Davis, Standard, Howe and variations of others. So any US company that was defunct was fair game for them.
    No kidding on the names. Did you see my thread about the Clones from A to Z pictures I'm collecting? I've got over a 100 different names so far and I haven't got all the alphabet covered yet.
    Here's the link to the thread just in case you missed it:
    { http://www.quiltingboard.com/vintage...z-t248864.html }
    Thanks for the history on the Standard name.

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    Many if not all Japanese machines have a J-A + number in the casting. This number Ids the manufacturer. As an example Happy used JA 10. Janome when they made New Homes used JA 2 & JA 30. Maruzen made Kenmores and used JA 4. The list is being compiled by on a Yahoo group by Bill Holman as information becomes available, but it isn't complete yet (maybe never will). The manufacturer of the JA 54 hasn't been identified yet.

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    From the mid 1970’s what are often referred to as ‘Nostalgia’ model 15’s were made in Taiwan and then later in China. These were made to the same design as earlier machines with the traditional black cast iron bodies and with the RAF or Sphinx decals etc. They were even supplied in the old style bentwood cases or treadle tables.The machines built at the Singer factory in Taiwan were identified by the model No. 15NL, whilst the Chinese ones are model 15CH. Although these machine look like the originals, there are subtle differences and they have a poor reputation of being lower quality machines that tend to be very noisy in use.

    http://www.singersewinginfo.co.uk/15/

    Quote copied from the above link. More information for your memory bank.
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