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    Little help! 1936 Singer

    I bought this for $10 when I got if home I discovered it is in worst shape then I thought. It will be my first real restoration project. All I know it is from 1936. Can anyone tell me what model it is, and suggestions as to how to start to restore it. All help would be appreciated!
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    Second picture 1936 Singer

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    Your machine was made in St. Johns, New Foundland. At least you have a date.
    http://www.sewshop.com/date-your-machine.html . This site has the manufacturing locations

    http://www.ismacs.net/singer_sewing_...-database.html . This site is where you can date Singer sewing machines. But there is not a listing for JB.
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    Singer site implies all JB are 1936 http://www.singerco.com/support/mach.../double-letter

    It's a model 15-something. Only the 15 series has the thread tension out on the end like that. Might be called a 15k-something, since it was made in Canada not USA. 88 is treadle, 91 is potted motor, maybe 15-90 is belt-driven motor? If the motor is aftermarket and not Singer, then probably is was a 15-88 treadle head that they motorized.

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    I actually live in St. John's Newfoundland! Singer did have a plant here in the 30-40's for. What I understand, they also,made e tan coloured featherweights here as well. I have been keeping my eye out for that one at estate sales.

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    restoration video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rcxrs6VCC1c
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqRWT3Nuq6k
    Someone posted a link a few days ago to a site selling Singer decals. If you wanted to just have fun with yours, it could be totally stripped and repainted then decaled as a Redeye or a Memphis, I presume. :-)

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    http://mysewingmachineaddiction.blog...1_archive.html blog and go forward/back
    The owner does a complete restoration of a 201 with the potted motor, and yours is an easier machine to work with.

    decals being applied here: http://mysewingmachineaddiction.blog...03/decals.html
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    Thanks for the link!

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    I just watched the video last night and wrote down all the things I need to rewire my 201. We can race to see who get done first.

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    It is a belt driven motor. So would that make it a 15k-90?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NL quilter View Post
    It is a belt driven motor. So would that make it a 15k-90?
    Singers with a "k" behind the number were made in Kilbowie Scotland.

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    I found this information on VintageSingers group at Yahoo. You might want to join that.
    Maybe it's a 15-86 or 15-96, if it's too early to be a 15-90. I don't think it matters that much, anyhow, at least not foe sewing with one, hehe.
    Singer 15 class machines between the 15-30 and the 15-88/89/90/91
    The four models in question are the 15-86/87/96/97. They kind of filled in the period between when the 15-30 was discontinued and the 15-88/89/90/91 came out. They were basically the same mechanism as the 15-30, and the series was short lived. The only way I can tell them apart is by going to my parts diagrams, because I have seen them so seldom.
    In the parts page that covers all four models, I note that the BW on the 15-86/87 has the cam driven finger to guide the thread, while the 15-96/97 has the later type without the mechanical guide finger. Then I note that the 15-87/97 have the disk hand wheel, indicating that they were sold as electrics, while the 15-86/96 have spoke hand wheels, indicating that they were sold as treadles or hand cranks. In all of them, they had a lever action stitch length control, which would differentiate them from the 15-30.
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    Also see http://needlebar.org/15/ for determining which 15.

    I have a black 15-75. I named it "Hammerhead" lol I love its look. It took me a while to find one, though.

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    this one does have a spock wheel, then maybe it was a tread that was modified as a electric. I'm going to clean her up a little tonight and have a better look, start tearing her down to do a proper cleaning. This will be a first for me, therefore going to take a lot of pictures, and label everything to be able to put it back together right!

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    The 15-90 and 15K-90 had the belt driven motor and solid hand wheel.
    Take a look at the bobbin case. When looking at the solid side does the finger point to 11:00 or 1:00?
    The 15-88/ 89/ 90/ 91 have the 11:00 finger. The 15-30, the 15-86/87, and the 15-96/97 all have the 1:00 finger.

    Hope this helps,

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    Quote Originally Posted by NL quilter View Post
    It is a belt driven motor. So would that make it a 15k-90?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caroline S View Post
    Your machine was made in St. Johns, New Foundland. At least you have a date.
    http://www.sewshop.com/date-your-machine.html . This site has the manufacturing locations

    http://www.ismacs.net/singer_sewing_...-database.html . This site is where you can date Singer sewing machines. But there is not a listing for JB.
    I think that site is wrong. I've seen it a couple of times now and it's the only one I see saying it was in Newfoundland. The St. John factory was in St John sur Richelieu, Quebec:


    http://www.singersewinginfo.co.uk/stjohns/
    http://www.sewmuse.co.uk/Canadian%20...ufacturers.htm
    http://www.sewalot.com/dating_singer...ial_number.htm
    http://wikimapia.org/8051938/Singer-...-Machine-Plant

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    well started to clean it up, and thinking it is a 15-88, the light is plastic, and motor looks like an add on as well. As for the debate on where it was made, from what I understand St. John's, Newfoundland (where I do live) did have a Singer assembly plant in the 30-40's. in 1936 the manufacturing year, Newfoundland was not a part of Canada (joining confederation in 1949) and some items from that time period to list Newfoundland as a part of Quebec (there was a huge boundary dispute, who `owned` Newfoundland at that time.

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    Do you know where it was? I'm really interested in knowing, because I can't find any information on it at all.

    The Quebec factory was in operation from 1904 to 1986, and was recently (2011) knocked down. I would think that having 2 plants in one country with the same city name would be confusing from a shipping standpoint. (Sort of like Springfield, USA) My suspicion is that the location in NFLD did something else for Singer, but had their name on it, so the general consensus was that it was a factory. I wonder if it's where stuff (like the featherweights) entered the country to have their motors fitted, etc.

    Here are some interesting pics of the building just before it was knocked down, and long after abandonment:
    http://ubaldesign.com/project/singer-sewing-co/
    and a little history on it:
    http://www.urbexplayground.com/urbex...bandoned-plant

    It was a massive complex.

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    Thanks for the history Tammi. I found it very interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caroline S View Post
    Thanks for the history Tammi. I found it very interesting.
    My pleasure Caroline. A couple of my favorite machines were made in that factory. When we figured that out last year, we thought it would be cool to see the building, maybe road trip it one summer. Then I found out it was knocked down the year before. Bummer. But I still love all the photos during and after its operation.

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    DH just brought up a good point. It's possible that a factory in the 30s and 40s wouldn't have been for sewing machines at all. This is war time. It may have been making other things for the war, and after the war, the factory was no longer needed....

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    My DH working in a retirement home here in St. John's Newfoundland, an older resident told him they remember Singer having an assembly plant here. Probably not fabricating but assembling.

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    This is the bobbin
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    You have a 5-88/ 89/ 90/ or 91 as they have the 11:00 finger. The only difference being the power supply (89-hand crank, 90-belted motor, 88-treadle, or 91-potted motor.
    You will love this machine, they are awesome machines.
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    This is the bobbin
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    "Most sewing machine problems are due to the carbon based unit in the chair in front of the machine"

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