A newbie with a 411G question

Old 04-01-2021, 02:49 AM
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Ive never done a quote or for that matter a multi-quote before, apologies if the bold looks wrong, ill learn

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I'm trying to upload the pdf, but the file size might be too large - it's a pretty high resolution scan of the manual. If you PM me your email address, I can send it to you via email.

Hi Elizabeth, I will PM you, thanks for much, first time anything with a "G" (German) ....all I've accessed so far all end with an A (US), so looking forward to that, might be metric measurements even.....would that be a "User/owner manual" ?

Originally Posted by bkay View Post
I would think it's a slant shank machine as are the other 400 machines. If so, it would take slant type feet, not low shank.
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Thanks Bkay; I think you're right, my head was /is/continues, to spin reading so much about this subject,, a slant is a slant, is a slant.....although I seem to have bought three slants with three differing heights, all in the one photo, so my confusion still remains, but the fog seems to be thinning somewhat (no high or low designations when talking about slants ...I think ?).

Originally Posted by OurWorkbench View Post
Glad It looks like the throat plate and one would think, that indeed, the feet that were with it should go with it. bkay is correct that your machine takes slant shank feet. .........It looks like the narrow hemmer (Sadly Too long in the shank) and straight stitch foot (twisted, needle touches small toe's upper surface 2mm to right, I could hold in vice and try to bend it 2mm left, or would the pivot point maybe break, shank looks long enough for gripping with needle nose pliers?) should work for your machine. The others are at an angle that makes it difficult to determine. I think the zipper foot might be a slant shank ( yes is slant, but seems to have the thunbscrew on its own little shank downwards so results the foot not touching my plate) .

There is a list of a lot of the Singer part numbers at https://www.singersewinginfo.co.uk/simanco_accessories. bingo https://www.singersewinginfo.co.uk/simanco/161195 I looked on the hemmer foot, for the number, (helps if one knows the part number first), but "slant" is in the description (great), shame it is 5/32" , but at least I now know 5/32" means its too large, so process of elimination has begun (Note to self, just need to find out the right imperial number).


Another source that would probably be helpful would be https://web.archive.org/web/20190727.../IPpartCharts/ probably 404-1_4_5 Site is working, and you found the only one that seems to be applicable, me in my dyslexic mess clicked all over the place (mainly industrials ?), Three of the scaned pages does have some relevant numbers, but difficult to see the picture, but definitively has lots and lots and LOTS of numbers there , the zipper foot has 6 sets of numbers alone !

https://web.archive.org/web/20190823...tCharts/4_4999 any of the first three (looks hopeful but seems to be off line at moment).

I also found another 411 manual at https://danhopgood.files.wordpress.c...anual-med3.pdf this is better quality "411 User Manual" than offered by singer themselves, clear and sharp focus, credit goes to Dan the best quality scan (of any 400 class document) I've seen anywhere!

For hemming jeans, you are better off using just a regular foot as the denim is too thick to go through the hemmers. Another thing about hemming jeans when you come to a seam, you may have problems. Sometimes it helps to put something under the back of the foot to make it even with the height of what you going over (Thanks i looked and saw a person use a wedge on youtube this morning, I'll copy today) . I have sometimes turn the hand wheel to go over and sometimes that doesn't work either. It also has been suggested to hammer (As ex-carpenter I've got hammers ) the seams to make them thinner.

In summary I think OurWorkbench supplied gold;
Presser feet and their relevant numbers in Link 1.
User/owner manual, crisp and clearest on www. Link 2.


Wow, that took over an hour to reply alone.

Thank you for taking so much time, effort and interest in replying and assisting me, I'm trying to write clear descriptive answers knowing others will read these when they "search 411G's", so apologies for long winded answers.

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Old 04-01-2021, 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave411G View Post
..........It looks like the narrow hemmer (Sadly Too long in the shank) and straight stitch foot (twisted, needle touches small toe's upper surface 2mm to right, I could hold in vice and try to bend it 2mm left, or would the pivot point maybe break, shank looks long enough for gripping with needle nose pliers?)
Do you have the knobs set at AK3?

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...zipper foot might be a slant shank ( yes is slant, but seems to have the thunbscrew on its own little shank downwards so results the foot not touching my plate) ...the zipper foot has 6 sets of numbers alone!
I'm not sure what you mean - a picture perhaps? The instructions for the zipper foot start on page 38 (pdf page-not actual) of the Danhopgood manual. Here again the knobs should be AK3. The screw on the back is for adjusting the foot to the left or right of the needle. Since it is hinged and slant shank, it does look a little weird. The number for the zipper foot complete is 161166. Do you have any of the numbers on the zipper foot. It almost looks like it might be a low shank. The slant shank adjustable zipper foot would look like this link on Etsy. And the low shank one would look like this. They look similar.

Originally Posted by Dave411G View Post
bingo https://www.singersewinginfo.co.uk/simanco/161195 I looked on the hemmer foot, for the number, (helps if one knows the part number first), but "slant" is in the description (great), shame it is 5/32" , but at least I now know 5/32" means its too large,
The 5/32" description is the size of the actual width of the hem. Too large? That is approximately 3.5mm width.

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https://web.archive.org/web/20190823...tCharts/4_4999 any of the first three (looks hopeful but seems to be off line at moment).
Sorry about that. I thought it would work. As I have been able to get some of the pdf from the web.archive site and thought all of them would work. I have some that I got before from the original site(before it was archived).

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I also found another 411 manual at https://danhopgood.files.wordpress.c...anual-med3.pdf this is better quality "411 User Manual" than offered by singer themselves, clear and sharp focus, credit goes to Dan the best quality scan (of any 400 class document) I've seen anywhere!
There is another good one at http://ismacs.net/singer_sewing_mach...g-machine.html

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Wow, that took over an hour to reply alone.

Thank you for taking so much time, effort and interest in replying and assisting me,...
Wow - only over an hour?? I usually take so long that many times others will chime in more quickly and I usually have to sign on again, before I can post.
You are welcome. I do enjoy researching stuff about these vintage machines. There is so much out there on the internet, now.

Another link that you may found helpful is https://www.quiltingboard.com/vintag...a-t271809.html particularly post #15.

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Old 04-01-2021, 08:55 AM
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Ah....."Go advanced"...looks like it will allow photos/attachments...yes found it at last.

Solved "Straight stitch foot" I was doing it wrong... I was at BK3 ! (serial number coincides with the attach list 170071).
AK3 plate is now a "keeper", due to foot working in A position

Solved; Hemmer foot; "the actual width of the hem"...Oh how silly I am ...BUT......according too 401 service manual number should be 161195, and it is, but far longer in the shank, so i presume that will prevent me form trying and material thicker than what the hemmer could turn over. (serial number coincides with the attach list 161195).

Remaining; The slant shank adjustable zipper foot looks like this link on Etsy. 161127 and it doesn't reach down to the plate.(no number on item).

Button foot is correct (serial number coincides with the attach list 181168)

Looking at the rest of whats in the box;
Screwdrivers both good; 161294 LG and 95 SM
Button foot is correct
Binder wrong- looking for 161174 or is it 81200 (401 list).
Edger wrong- looking for 160625
Ruffler wrong- looking for 160629
Adj Hemmer wrong- looking for?
Other small hemmer wrong- looking for ?



"particularly post #15.".... I never dropped any oil down through centre of cam stack, sounds plausible though.....let me look at exploded diagram....oooh I don't know, poses new question, is it cog 172114 and worm 172002? would oil affect any grease that I'd have placed on the cogs already.?....thinking about it more the cam stacks weight would have to be borne by something stationary....and metallic. Green arrow, dont have a diagram of motor, but bears thinking about....maybe "Andytube" has covered it, i'll look tonight.

Well, its been a good day.....a really good day.

Summary;

I have two lists of (very similar) parts numbers.
I know most of the numbers of the parts I'm now looking for.
learned loads about technicalities of posting here
AK3 set is working (wont need to return the items, and loose; the AK3, hemmer 161195, and button foot).

Just need to identify
two numbers, and purchase the other green ones.

Thanks you all again for another successful day, cheered me up nicely

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I'm not at my home computer to see the numbers I have. Can you give me the numbers of the "wrong" parts? Actually, Singer would sometimes give a new number to an old attachment. I think one time I saw the same number foot but with slight differences. Did you check with the singersewinginfo site? Also I've been collecting many things off the net and have researched even more. I can try to find a parts list for the 600 or 700 series for their feet numbers. It would give some more options for the same foot.

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The items i bought for my 411G, that are "wrong" or Wrong for my 411G (from the 401 and 404 part number list comparison) are as follows;

Binder 121464 wrong- looking for 161174 or is it 81200 (401 list).
Edger 36865 wrong- looking for 160625
Ruffler 86642 wrong- looking for 160629
Adj Hemmer 35931 wrong- looking for?
Other small hemmer 120855 wrong- looking for ?

I'll have to attempt to sell all these on as of no use to me with my 411G.
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Originally Posted by Dave411G View Post
...I'll have to attempt to sell all these on as of no use to me with my 411G.
You really think that will be the only vintage machine you will get????? And even if the only vintage - those feet will work on modern machines, too.

I've spent the last 3 hours - off and on, mostly on - looking at some of my lists for slant shank attachments. I'm also running into some conflicting information.
In addition to the numbers you have for slant shank machine
161561 for ruffler which may or may not have number on the foot??
161195 hemmer maybe 5/64"
171145 hemmer maybe 5/32"
161780 hemmer 5/64" not found on singersewinginfo (was listed in my 626 manual) and couldn't find elsewhere.
160626 adjustable hemmer
180626 adjustable hemmer
163483 special purpose foot (For what you are wanting to sew, I would not recommend this foot. It is a two pieces that attached to each other and have a tendency to break apart. One part of it is more like sheet metal.)

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