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    This is great! I have the same White Family Rotary with the same cabinet in basically the same condition. As with many of my cabinets, the "do I glue and made do OR do I strip it off" veneer decision looms heavily. The attempts to glue have met with limited success, especially when using the cabinet to sew. All it takes is a decent amount of weight, and one taught thread or safety pin to create a problem. At one point my Alvah's top had masking tape applied just so I could finish a quilt!

    Looking forward to suggestions, especially when the top layer is now wider than the space from which it lifted. How DO you handle that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkCastleDH View Post
    Glenn, is there any need to soften the veneer before trying to reattach it? I hadn't realized before this thread that shellac was being used for commercial finishes for that long but I'm glad - I'd much rather muck around with shellac than lacquer and I'd much, much, much rather work with it than varnish (particularly working against an existing finish!)
    If you are reglueing loose veneer you can soften it with with a damp rag for a few minutes to make it pliable to lay flat ant then glue down and then place wax paper between the glued veneer and and heavy weight and leave onver night.
    Glenn W. Cleveland

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    Quote Originally Posted by katballou View Post
    Thank you both Joe and Miriam,

    Joe, I didn't see you post anything about getting rid of the mold, guess I missed that part of your post. I should get a picture of the very top of this cabinet to post because the veneer is so bad I think I should take it off and replace it or maybe just not put anything over the solid wood. And when I found this thread I thought I would get Glenn's opinion because I see that he has been doing this to quite a few things and I bet he knows some tips and short cuts. But then all the help I get is great, I have not refinished many pieces of wood furniture, so Thank you Joe.

    Miriam, I hope Glenn is catching a few trophy fish, my project can wait, I am in the middle of making things for my Halloween party which is just around the corner and the "White" can wait until even after the holidays if it needs to. I am in no big hurry I have waited and waited to get a Treadle Sewing Machine of my own I can wait to put her in the house.

    I will have to get a close-up picture of the top just to show how bad it really is, this picture was only so I could do research on the internet.

    Thanks again for the info
    Kat
    Kat if you use my cleaning solution one(in a tutorial cleaning and revining furniture finsh) it will klill and get rid of the mold and smell. It will do wonders for the cabinet which is not as bad as you think from the pic. After clelaning then you can evaluate the cabinet and see what is needed. I would like to see pic of the after cleaning then I can advise you better as what to do with the cabinet. I don't use Joe method of venegar because it will loosen the old hyde glue. But Joe is correct on the rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenn View Post
    If you are reglueing loose veneer you can soften it with with a damp rag for a few minutes to make it pliable to lay flat ant then glue down and then place wax paper between the glued veneer and and heavy weight and leave onver night.
    Thanks. I'll give it a try on one of the rougher cabinets first.

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    pinkCastleDH,

    Next week sometime I should get my dark brown Briwax past wax. I had to order it as nobody here in Springfield carries it.
    When I'm finished waxing the treadle top I'll post a bunch of before and after pics.

    You will not believe the difference between the damaged before and the repaired after pics. Truthfully, neither do I.

    I'm using mostly Skips instructions with only a minor variation for color match. If I say something and he says something different, do what he says. I'm just a rank beginner at this wooden cabinet fixing stuff.

    Joe

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Miller View Post
    pinkCastleDH,

    Next week sometime I should get my dark brown Briwax past wax. I had to order it as nobody here in Springfield carries it.
    When I'm finished waxing the treadle top I'll post a bunch of before and after pics.
    I think we still have some Briwax in Mahogany from when we lived in Tacoma. I'm looking forward to you comparison pics!

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    Thanks, i just got a fw, and saw a nice treddle, thought about it,but it needs refinishing. Now i know what tilo do.
    thanks again

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    By alcohol is it any ie gin whiskey or is it special?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DOTTYMO View Post
    By alcohol is it any ie gin whiskey or is it special?
    You don't want the other things that are in most drinking alcohols so the typical is to use denatured. I've heard of people using Everclear (something like 190 proof - not sure if you have it in England) but that would be expensive!

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    Glenn, Here is a totally newbie to wood refinishing question: Can you use the Briwax, to seal, finish wood, that has been stained with a water based product? I also see that the Annie Sloan Wax is used over paint, I imagaine that the Briwax, is the same.
    Thank you,
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    Quote Originally Posted by grayhare View Post
    Glenn, Here is a totally newbie to wood refinishing question: Can you use the Briwax, to seal, finish wood, that has been stained with a water based product? I also see that the Annie Sloan Wax is used over paint, I imagaine that the Briwax, is the same.
    Thank you,
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    Yes you can but it is not as durable as a clear coat of shellac and will have to be applied every few months. Thr Briwax is fine for this. Wax is usually used to protect the clear coat finish as a moisture barrier and to prevent scratches in the finish. Wax has been used as a top coat finish for centuries. It will give a matt sheen like an oil finish to the cabinet. Yes you can use the wax to painted surfaces with no problem as long as the paint has cured well. Dark wax will give an antique look and the clear will give it a nice clear shine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenn View Post
    Kat if you use my cleaning solution one(in a tutorial cleaning and revining furniture finsh) it will klill and get rid of the mold and smell. It will do wonders for the cabinet which is not as bad as you think from the pic. After clelaning then you can evaluate the cabinet and see what is needed. I would like to see pic of the after cleaning then I can advise you better as what to do with the cabinet. I don't use Joe method of venegar because it will loosen the old hyde glue. But Joe is correct on the rest.

    Skip
    Thanks Skip I will get the elbow grease and get working on cleaning it up. I am lucky that the smell isn't really that bad, mostly just can see there is mold, it looks dry and maybe that's why I can't smell it. The part that is the worst never made it in the picture, but I will make sure that it is in the next one after a good cleaning. Most of the cabinet is in good shape, just a little loose where the drawers are.

    Thanks Kat

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    Glenn is the shellac the same as yacht varnish usually clear that we get in England. Some of the names you say I hAve problems translating the words

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    Dottymo - not Glenn but I'm 99% certain shellac is not yacht varnish. I think that's what we would call spar varnish - it's tough stuff, very waterproof and non-reversible. The only other name I've seen shellac commonly referred by is French Polish, though that's properly an application method. Here's a link to one company on your side of the pond that lists it:
    http://www.mylands.co.uk/products/polishes/

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkCastleDH View Post
    Dottymo - not Glenn but I'm 99% certain shellac is not yacht varnish. I think that's what we would call spar varnish - it's tough stuff, very waterproof and non-reversible. The only other name I've seen shellac commonly referred by is French Polish, though that's properly an application method. Here's a link to one company on your side of the pond that lists it:
    http://www.mylands.co.uk/products/polishes/
    I don't think you want it tinted - you want it clear
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    Quote Originally Posted by miriam View Post
    I don't think you want it tinted - you want it clear
    For work on the sewing machine I'd definitely want blond. For the cabinet? Maybe, maybe not. The warmth of amber shellac is wonderful. Here's a UK site with blond dewaxed:
    http://www.finneyswoodfinishes.co.uk...ac-polish.html

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    I've seen French polish in shops will keep looking. Thank you not Glenn

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    Thanks for the info....I have one that needs to be redone....Did you put new veneer on the top? The veneer on the one I have needs to be replaced....

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkCastleDH View Post
    I think we still have some Briwax in Mahogany from when we lived in Tacoma. I'm looking forward to you comparison pics!
    So, did you compare my finish with the dark brown Briwax to your Mahogany? I'm curious too.

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    Joe - I hadn't connected the threads. What we have is Antique Mahogany and it's definitely redder than you cabinet.

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    Here's another link for a French Polish at B&Q in the UK (and readily available at other retailers). I wonder if this would be ok?

    http://www.diy.com/nav/decor/paint/w...-250ml-9253224

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    I've got several cabinets that are going to get the Briwax treatment. From what I watched that stuff do to the parts of the 9W-7 cabinet I did not refinish, it will really make the other dark cabinets I've got look much better.

    Joe

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    Dottymo is right shellac is not yacht varnish or what we call spar varnish.
    Glenn W. Cleveland

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjhaess View Post
    Thanks for the info....I have one that needs to be redone....Did you put new veneer on the top? The veneer on the one I have needs to be replaced....
    Since Glenn and Joe missed your question, I will answer it! I have had to re-veneer several cabinets! Sometimes, you will get lucky and all the veneer is still there - just needs to be re-glued, refinished! But, if a cabinet has veneer missing, yes you will have to re-veneer the top!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoJangles View Post
    Since Glenn and Joe missed your question, I will answer it! I have had to re-veneer several cabinets! Sometimes, you will get lucky and all the veneer is still there - just needs to be re-glued, refinished! But, if a cabinet has veneer missing, yes you will have to re-veneer the top!

    Nancy
    For mjhae ss,
    Yes I replaced the veneer on the top lid, read about it here:
    http://www.quiltingboard.com/vintage...e-t204377.html

    Nancy,
    I have patched missing parts on veneer with pieces from other projects. The thing is you need to match the grain as close as you can and the type of wood. If you get a different type of wood you'll have to play around with the stains to make the colors match.

    Joe

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