Seized 401 A, possibly bad motor
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Seized 401 A, possibly bad motor
Can't turn the handwheel, not too worried about that. But, the motor doesn't do anything when I step on the pedal. What do you think? Also, how hard is it to get the cams? Oh, and one screw is gone from the top piece. Not sure what that clue means, lol. So, talk me into or out of it!
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Cams are relatively easy, since it takes black top hat cams. It's mostly a question of what you are willing to pay for them. I think there's two type black top hat cams, and it's the version with two holes sort of placed at a 90 degree angle.
You will find the replacement screw by searching ebay now and then, and those who care for vintage machines. The trouble is to identify the correct type, but it's within doable.
For the motor I don't know, it can be damaged, but more often it's something that needs sorting out with the pedal, adjusting, a capacitor there or in connection with the motor. I'm not quite sure where the capacitor turns up on the 401s. It could be anything electrical, a loose wire,...
You will find the replacement screw by searching ebay now and then, and those who care for vintage machines. The trouble is to identify the correct type, but it's within doable.
For the motor I don't know, it can be damaged, but more often it's something that needs sorting out with the pedal, adjusting, a capacitor there or in connection with the motor. I'm not quite sure where the capacitor turns up on the 401s. It could be anything electrical, a loose wire,...
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Can't turn the handwheel, not too worried about that. But, the motor doesn't do anything when I step on the pedal. What do you think? Also, how hard is it to get the cams? Oh, and one screw is gone from the top piece. Not sure what that clue means, lol. So, talk me into or out of it!
I'm with Mickey, it may well be the controller. Mine is acting up right now, getting stuck on "go". Given they are about the same age, I'd start there. I've not refurbed that many machines, but most have been in storage for extended periods of time. I've run into lots of problems, but the motors always work.
AND, even if you find it's a dud, and you didn't pay too much for it, you can always part it out.
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No Mickey, there are two types of black cams, top hat and flat. Either type will work in all of the machines that take the particular type. So the black top hat cams will work in any Singer that takes top hat cams. Then there are the white top hat cams, the flexi stitch cams, that work in machines starting in one of the 700 series. Then there are the other white cams for the Futura and Touchtronics, etc..
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Can't turn the handwheel, not too worried about that. But, the motor doesn't do anything when I step on the pedal. What do you think? Also, how hard is it to get the cams? Oh, and one screw is gone from the top piece. Not sure what that clue means, lol. So, talk me into or out of it!
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I highly doubt the motor is bad. Since there is a screw missing it's more probable that someone else has been in the machine. It could be as simple as a disconnected wire in the controller(no capacitors in a US 401) or one of the motor wires not getting a good connection. The missing screw could be somewhere in the top of the machine locking it up. Intil you get into the machine and check things out, it's hard to say.
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Can't turn the handwheel, not too worried about that. But, the motor doesn't do anything when I step on the pedal. What do you think? Also, how hard is it to get the cams? Oh, and one screw is gone from the top piece. Not sure what that clue means, lol. So, talk me into or out of it!
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I got mine in working order with a lot of help from folks on this board and on the victoriansweatshop.com - I know it's issues weren't identical to yours but there is a lot of good information and some of it may be helpful. I got my machine up and running very nicely. I managed to find cams on eBay, I think.
Shall I try and get this machine?
Shall I try and get this machine?
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A nice cabinet and the right cabinet is worth $50. A 401 in a case is worth $50, even when it needs a bit of tlc to stitch again. Especially when it's a machine that's to be used again, these models have their advantages. At half the price you should not hesitate if it's the kind of machine you want.
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