Singer Graduate 714
07-08-2021, 03:31 AM
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Singer Graduate 714
I'm attempting repairs on this machine and need to know where I can get vintage parts for the pattern selector segment gear part 506285 as that gear is smooth and I can't select anything but straight stitching.
Also, the needle position control dial and disc selector seems frozen. There are two threaded screw holes above both of these dials, that require a straight stitch locking screw stud key, it looks like an Allen wrench, but the holes are threaded, perhaps, that dial is locked. There is a part number 171387, when I tried Singer online, they don't have either the gear for the patterns selector dial , or for the locked needle position dial.
It might be part of an accessory kit, the straight stitch locking key.
Do you have any suggestions as to where I can get these parts and do you have any videos on how to replace the pattern selector gear on this machine. I think it is from 1975.
Thanks for any help or suggestions.
Also, the needle position control dial and disc selector seems frozen. There are two threaded screw holes above both of these dials, that require a straight stitch locking screw stud key, it looks like an Allen wrench, but the holes are threaded, perhaps, that dial is locked. There is a part number 171387, when I tried Singer online, they don't have either the gear for the patterns selector dial , or for the locked needle position dial.
It might be part of an accessory kit, the straight stitch locking key.
Do you have any suggestions as to where I can get these parts and do you have any videos on how to replace the pattern selector gear on this machine. I think it is from 1975.
Thanks for any help or suggestions.
07-08-2021, 05:43 AM
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I have no affiliation, nor have I used either of the following. The part number 506285 looks to be available at https://www.vintagesingerparts.com/p...22-726-740-760
I have read that https://store.tandtrepair.com/ is good for the machines of this time frame and there is https://store.tandtrepair.com/700comborepair.html I have also read that he is good at answering emails and helping others with slant shank machines.
Have you tried an allen wrench?
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I have read that https://store.tandtrepair.com/ is good for the machines of this time frame and there is https://store.tandtrepair.com/700comborepair.html I have also read that he is good at answering emails and helping others with slant shank machines.
Have you tried an allen wrench?
We like pictures. In order to post pictures on Quilting Board, you will probably need to reduce or compress the picture to a file size that is smaller than 2MB. How to post images can be found at https://www.quiltingboard.com/attach...020-01-17-.pdf
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07-08-2021, 06:08 AM
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"the needle position control dial and disc selector seems frozen."
I would suggest you may be approaching this from the wrong area. I am not familiar with your particular model, but on many machines lubing inside the machines is they key. look to what the knobs should turn and all that linkage. If you can't get anything to wiggle from the inside, grab a hair dryer and see if you can loosen up some old grease.
I would suggest you may be approaching this from the wrong area. I am not familiar with your particular model, but on many machines lubing inside the machines is they key. look to what the knobs should turn and all that linkage. If you can't get anything to wiggle from the inside, grab a hair dryer and see if you can loosen up some old grease.
07-08-2021, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by OurWorkbench
I have no affiliation, nor have I used either of the following. The part number 506285 looks to be available at https://www.vintagesingerparts.com/p...22-726-740-760
I have read that https://store.tandtrepair.com/ is good for the machines of this time frame and there is https://store.tandtrepair.com/700comborepair.html I have also read that he is good at answering emails and helping others with slant shank machines.
Have you tried an allen wrench?
We like pictures. In order to post pictures on Quilting Board, you will probably need to reduce or compress the picture to a file size that is smaller than 2MB. How to post images can be found at https://www.quiltingboard.com/attach...020-01-17-.pdf
Don't forget to scroll over to the far right to find and click on the "Upload" button.
I have found that only the big red "Reply" button or "Quote" work to give me the paper clip icon to work for adding pictures.
https://www.quiltingboard.com/attach...p-location.jpg
Some additional info regarding reducing images at post #4 and images for the scroll and upload button can be found at #5 of quilt block ID?
Or simply - Make sure pictures are smaller than 2MB
Click on red "Reply" button
Click on the paper clip icon
Click browse - choose picture/s. (only 5 allowed per post)
Once they show up as being loaded, Scroll over to the right side and click on "Upload"
After the pictures show up as being attached, you can close that window and go back to the screen to finish posting your post.
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I have read that https://store.tandtrepair.com/ is good for the machines of this time frame and there is https://store.tandtrepair.com/700comborepair.html I have also read that he is good at answering emails and helping others with slant shank machines.
Have you tried an allen wrench?
We like pictures. In order to post pictures on Quilting Board, you will probably need to reduce or compress the picture to a file size that is smaller than 2MB. How to post images can be found at https://www.quiltingboard.com/attach...020-01-17-.pdf
Don't forget to scroll over to the far right to find and click on the "Upload" button.
I have found that only the big red "Reply" button or "Quote" work to give me the paper clip icon to work for adding pictures.
https://www.quiltingboard.com/attach...p-location.jpg
Some additional info regarding reducing images at post #4 and images for the scroll and upload button can be found at #5 of quilt block ID?
Or simply - Make sure pictures are smaller than 2MB
Click on red "Reply" button
Click on the paper clip icon
Click browse - choose picture/s. (only 5 allowed per post)
Once they show up as being loaded, Scroll over to the right side and click on "Upload"
After the pictures show up as being attached, you can close that window and go back to the screen to finish posting your post.
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I appreciate all the information you have submitted.
I would try an Allen wrench, except the holes are threaded so I'm afraid of rounding out the threads. I have an online manual, but it doesn't list any parts, but does mention the straight stitch lock key being part of the accessory kit.
I will check out the parts site.
I've taken some pictures, you can see the second dial is pushed in further than the dial on the left, I can only move it from the inside and it is very hard to move. I'm thinking it is locked by the Allen wrench that must have threads to unlock it from straight stitching.
I don't know if you can see the 3 black and white photos I took of the inside top of the machine. The first one shows the gear behind is worn smooth, the next two are of the dial that is very hard to turn, it's the needle position dial.
I greased everything I could top and bottom of the machine gears thoroughly before investigating the two dials.
I'm sorry the pictures are out of order, I had the window reduced, so I had to enlarge it to find the upload button, then I tried adding more than one at once.
07-08-2021, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by leonf
"the needle position control dial and disc selector seems frozen."
I would suggest you may be approaching this from the wrong area. I am not familiar with your particular model, but on many machines lubing inside the machines is they key. look to what the knobs should turn and all that linkage. If you can't get anything to wiggle from the inside, grab a hair dryer and see if you can loosen up some old grease.
I would suggest you may be approaching this from the wrong area. I am not familiar with your particular model, but on many machines lubing inside the machines is they key. look to what the knobs should turn and all that linkage. If you can't get anything to wiggle from the inside, grab a hair dryer and see if you can loosen up some old grease.
07-08-2021, 07:35 AM
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Thank you for the photos. That doesn't make sense to me that those are threaded holes. They sure look round, though. Is it shaped differently past the threads? If the locking tool was threaded it would just screw in and not adjust anything. I think if you really want to keep this machine and sewing, I would contact tandtrepair. I'm thinking that bkay has dealt with them and with good review.
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07-08-2021, 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by OurWorkbench
Thank you for the photos. That doesn't make sense to me that those are threaded holes. They sure look round, though. Is it shaped differently past the threads? If the locking tool was threaded it would just screw in and not adjust anything. I think if you really want to keep this machine and sewing, I would contact tandtrepair. I'm thinking that bkay has dealt with them and with good review.
Janey - Neat people never make the exciting discoveries I do.
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I appreciate your help.
08-04-2021, 06:56 AM
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Turns out I have this exact machine, had when you posted but didn't know I had it because I hadn't made it that far through the pile.
If I'm understanding the problems correctly, the pattern selector dial on the left won't change patterns, and the needle position dial and stitch width dial on the right won't move.
I do not have the locking screws with mine, but I will guess they are thumb screws which can be left in the machine and "locked" down for straight stitch. On the pattern selector dial there is an indentation (hidden) on the top of the dial over the straight stitch setting and under the threaded hole for the lock screw. The lock screw will screw down into this indentation preventing the dial from turning. If you can't turn this dial look for something stuck in the hole. If the teeth on the lower inside part of the dial are gone you'll need a new dial.
The dials on the right are stacked, needle position on top, stitch width on bottom. These turn independently (or should). The needle position dial has a hole (hidden) through which the locking screw will pass down into the stitch width dial which has a hole over the "0" setting. The hole goes all the way through the bottom dial, so a stuck foreign object seems unlikely. Does the lower dial turn at all? If there is nothing stuck in the lock hole try loosening the two screws on the plate on the right (circled in the picture); this plate serves as the detent' for the needle position dial, taking off a little pressure may allow it to move, and let you get some grease under it.
Interestingly, I found standard hardware store machine bolts that were able to thread into the "lock" holes.
You should remove the face plate, there are at least 2 tabs, circled in the picture, holding it in, after you remove the two circled allen head screws. I was going to take off the plate on this machine, started to, but didn't want to break it as I'm trying to sell it. You may risk breaking the face plate but it's going to have to come off to replace the pattern selector dial, and it will give you a better view of anywhere else they may be binding.
If I'm understanding the problems correctly, the pattern selector dial on the left won't change patterns, and the needle position dial and stitch width dial on the right won't move.
I do not have the locking screws with mine, but I will guess they are thumb screws which can be left in the machine and "locked" down for straight stitch. On the pattern selector dial there is an indentation (hidden) on the top of the dial over the straight stitch setting and under the threaded hole for the lock screw. The lock screw will screw down into this indentation preventing the dial from turning. If you can't turn this dial look for something stuck in the hole. If the teeth on the lower inside part of the dial are gone you'll need a new dial.
The dials on the right are stacked, needle position on top, stitch width on bottom. These turn independently (or should). The needle position dial has a hole (hidden) through which the locking screw will pass down into the stitch width dial which has a hole over the "0" setting. The hole goes all the way through the bottom dial, so a stuck foreign object seems unlikely. Does the lower dial turn at all? If there is nothing stuck in the lock hole try loosening the two screws on the plate on the right (circled in the picture); this plate serves as the detent' for the needle position dial, taking off a little pressure may allow it to move, and let you get some grease under it.
Interestingly, I found standard hardware store machine bolts that were able to thread into the "lock" holes.
You should remove the face plate, there are at least 2 tabs, circled in the picture, holding it in, after you remove the two circled allen head screws. I was going to take off the plate on this machine, started to, but didn't want to break it as I'm trying to sell it. You may risk breaking the face plate but it's going to have to come off to replace the pattern selector dial, and it will give you a better view of anywhere else they may be binding.
08-04-2021, 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeJr
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I do not have the locking screws with mine, but I will guess they are thumb screws which can be left in the machine and "locked" down for straight stitch. ...
I do not have the locking screws with mine, but I will guess they are thumb screws which can be left in the machine and "locked" down for straight stitch. ...
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