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Thread: White Rotary Treadle machine! Woo-hoo!

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    Red face White Rotary Treadle machine! Woo-hoo!

    I am so excited! I just purchased a White Rotary Treadle Machine Serial number 2575921. It comes with the book, a box of attachments, bobbins. The cabinet is in great shape. The machine needs a good cleaning and oiling. The owner said they had just reinstalled the belt but it isn't on correctly because when I tried to move the treadle it caught.

    Now I need to get it dated and learn to take it apart and clean it. As well as how to user it.
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    Congratulations, Beautiful machine! Here's an essential for getting your White in working order:
    http://www.ismacs.net/white/manuals/white-rotary.pdf

    Best to stick to the oiling and cleaning rather than taking apart, unless something is broken. Can't say I'm real familiar with Whites but I believe they take a 20x1 needle or some lower a 15x1.

    Good Luck and Enjoy
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    I know those whites inside and out at this point in life Ha ha ha ... That on ehas been refinished and looks preety good, it very hard to find one that still shows it's red and green in there decals....
    it looks like your missing the back piece on the cabinet and the front piece. I think on that cabinet under the top there should be what looks like a wire loop / belt guide if that get missed it will kick the belt off, also people often get the bellt in the wrong hole at the flywheel..

    unless the hand wheel has already been remove, it will take a puller to get it off, don't hammer it off, whites are very easy to bend there crankshafts .....

    with the belt off and spin the hand wheel it should freely turn over 3 x's with one spin by hand,, if it has any sticky spots.. take the bottom end apart clean and polish all rotating points..

    There white FR's where one of the best ever made ... they turn backwards from a singer teh bobbin threads back wards from a singer .. There is a adjustment for the cable that hold the machine up,, make sure it's not real tight. the cable can and will break
    They take a standard needle

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    Oops, takes a standard 15x1 needle. Think my White VS took the 20x1.

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    This is what the machine looks like when it is closed. Is there anyway to remove the machine from the cabinet for cleaning? The way the machine goes up and down in the cabinet seems to hide all attachment points.
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    the pic is to small but i can see the door , I have that cabinet and the one that Treadle base mounts under the cabinet. On each of those, there is a screw on piece between the drawers, then a hinged drop down door.

    to remove it kick the bellt off the flywheel, and then off the hand wheel,, right below the boobin wider at the conrer of the base is a lever push it side ways and tilt the machine to the rear.. theres two hinges under the base , you'll see those,, on the base is a set crew at each hinge, loosen those about 3 turns. The machine will slide off the hinges...

    your machine has been cleaned in the past,, be very carful on these whites decals,, more so than a singer,, even quick rudding using singer oil will take off there red and green,, dish soap can be just as bad as this go off ..

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    White Rotary FR Treadle

    I get confused about the si e of needle for these White Rotary VS's. Here is mine and I'd like to know if it's a needle 20x1 or a 15x1. I'm very uninformed about these needle si es. I'd appreciate some help in this area also. Mine is a FR 2569691.
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    Hi Claudia,

    Here's the Ismac's needle list:
    http://www.ismacs.net/needle_and_sha...eedle-list.pdf

    Looks like the Rotaries and some of the vibrating shuttles use 15x1.

    Jon

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    remove the bobbin plate tilt the machine back remove it's bobbin ect ,, so you can see the hook,

    use what ever needle you have,, make sure the eye of that needle goes below the hook. if it only half way, then it won't work.

    .often you can just lower the needle at the clamp, be sure you have it tight if you try that ,, not just finger tight,,

    then thread it and rotate again ( backwards rotation ) again watch the hook, you'll see the loop form and the hook pick up the loop..

    Thats the $70 timing the shop does , LOLOL ok they wipe it off and dump oil on.

    Thats a FR and eveyone I have had took a 15x1
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    I learned that my machine was manufactured in 1917. I am still waiting on the new belt to arrive. There was actually a needle in the machine with 'white' stamped on the shaft. I still have to finish cleaning the shuttle, shuttle race and pressor foot. Then put it all back together. haven't polished the metal yet. I started to take off the face plate and clean in there. However, then I saw (I think on Treadle on) a tutorial about taking it off and that some part shifts when you remove it. So I got scared about my ability to put it back together and decided not to take the face plate off. I will just give it a good oiling.

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    oh sweet memories!!!!!---that looks just like the machine my mom made most of the clothes my sister and I wore with---even the cabinet looks the same---I remember her trying to teach to use it but I could not treadle right and the machine would go backwards and I was removed promptly---I now have a Feather Weight--a Pfaff 2046--a Brother serger and an old Brother cam machine from the early 60's

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    go ahead and take off teh face plate, nothing will get lost or fall out,, once you have that off,, you'll see what they talk about . I did find a site that gave a every detail on doing this , Buuut can't find that now... the needle bar, presser bar, the whole 9 yards will come off with that plate...

    The first few times will be a bit tricky in putting it back on,, after that you'll do this without blinking an eye

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    The only thing that gave me any trouble when taking off the entire "face" part was the flat tensioner. It has a little arm that goes inside the "face" that is held in place by the tension dial, and the rest stays outside. It fell off (eekk moment) when I undid the tension dial and before I realized how it was put together, so I had to fiddle with it a bit to get it back on. Nothing too major if you like to pull things apart and put them back together! While I tend to favor my Singers, White had a pretty neat set up to get to the needle bar, presser bar, and tensioner.

    To get it out of the cabinet, there should be a couple of hinges in the back, just like a Singer. However, there's also a button or small lever on the front of the machine bed in front of the pillar. This will disengage it from the cabinet so that you can push it up and back and look at the bottom of the machine. Then you can undo the set screws from the hinges on the bottom back of the machine. (If I remember correctly!) Hope this helps.

    Also, notsureif is right in that the hand wheel wasn't made to come off and you'd need a gear puller. Never could figure out why I couldn't just pull it off until I saw the tutorial at Treadle On.
    I have a screw driver and YouTube--I can fix it!

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    Found a pic of the "head" part taken off my embossed FR from a while back.

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    The 2 large screws are what held it onto the machine. The green #3 points to the backside of the tensioner, but it is also very close to the "knob" part that connects to an "arm" on the machine side. It moves, but that's all you have to connect if you don't take any other parts off the "head" part. I have taken off more parts on the "head," like the presser spring, tensioner, so on, but it may not be necessary if they haven't been gunked to death. Like I said, pretty handy way to get to everything. (The #1 and #2 were showing how the tensioner and tension dial connected.)
    I have a screw driver and YouTube--I can fix it!

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    Do you know of anyone who has the White Rotary with the crinkle finish? I have one that I got for free today and it is DIRTY...just wondering what it's supposed to look like under all the grime....

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    Barb, here is a pic of my crinkle finish WFR. The finish itself isn't great, and the wear on the bed ranges from crinkle to smooth black, to bare metal! Anyway, this is just after I cleaned it up. (Soap and water, a soft tooth brush--be careful, I did take off some rough "crinkle" in spots--and then some Liquid Gold to finish. Metal shiny parts were probably cleaned with Bar Keeper's Friend and then polished.) I don't know if this is the best way to clean a crinkle finish though, just the way I did it.

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    I have a screw driver and YouTube--I can fix it!

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