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Retiming of these is a touchy subject..but generally speaking a retimed machine to take 15 needles is not what I would want. Singer manufactured and made these machines to take the special needles and messing with that will only lessen the stitch quality. Most Singer lovers get really riled when the subject comes up, honestly. But, if it has been retimed, the 15 needle should work with the correct bobbin case in.
if it wont go in the machine... yes then you are correct that the timing is not the problem. if it fits in but the needle hits, or thread does not pickup then it could well be that some adjustment is not correct.
I have even heard tell that the later incorrect case was a singer replacement for the correct casse and was "the one to use" if you were going to retime for the 15 series needle. I have also heard told that it was a "factory approved and taught" procedure for the Scottish/UK dealers. I dont know and cant say... I do know that I used the one that came with mine, and followed the needle bar setting procedure the Hook end play and hook timing from the service manual ( and I checked the feed timing) and mine now sews correctly with reasonable thread ( no heavy upholstery stuff) at all width and length settings either straight stitch or with any of the first 10 numbered cams that I have. when I got it it was pretty prone to skipping one or more stitches per inch on any width setting above 2 (dial is maked 1-5).
SO..... I can provide some pictures and part numbers, but not for a couple weeks when Iam home, I can provide encouragement and advice if you wish to check all the settings, and I am still curious what does not work about a 319 case ( as I may need another some day )
Still really tickled that there is another 306 on the board and am looking forward to hearing of your adventures.
Greywuuf, Dan, did you just post something about your 306 being in a teadle? I know I saw it because I went and looked at your u-tube of you treadling the 306! I like your black machine better than the mocha 306 I just bought. Do you have any trouble with the decorative stitches when you treadle? I did when I first started treadling my 319W!
Nancy
Nancy
Good luck and don't give up, if I can START my obsession with one of these odd ducks then you can Certainly handle it.
nice to have another 306w on the board.
Dan
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Dan, as I posted above there are two different hook systems and cases, depending on the W or K (factory it was made).
here is my concern, What does not work with the bobbin case ? it flat does not fit in the machine ? the needle hits the case? it goes in but wont pick up a thread ?
if it wont go in the machine... yes then you are correct that the timing is not the problem. if it fits in but the needle hits, or thread does not pickup then it could well be that some adjustment is not correct.
I have even heard tell that the later incorrect case was a singer replacement for the correct casse and was "the one to use" if you were going to retime for the 15 series needle. I have also heard told that it was a "factory approved and taught" procedure for the Scottish/UK dealers. I dont know and cant say... I do know that I used the one that came with mine, and followed the needle bar setting procedure the Hook end play and hook timing from the service manual ( and I checked the feed timing) and mine now sews correctly with reasonable thread ( no heavy upholstery stuff) at all width and length settings either straight stitch or with any of the first 10 numbered cams that I have. when I got it it was pretty prone to skipping one or more stitches per inch on any width setting above 2 (dial is maked 1-5).
SO..... I can provide some pictures and part numbers, but not for a couple weeks when Iam home, I can provide encouragement and advice if you wish to check all the settings, and I am still curious what does not work about a 319 case ( as I may need another some day )
Still really tickled that there is another 306 on the board and am looking forward to hearing of your adventures.
if it wont go in the machine... yes then you are correct that the timing is not the problem. if it fits in but the needle hits, or thread does not pickup then it could well be that some adjustment is not correct.
I have even heard tell that the later incorrect case was a singer replacement for the correct casse and was "the one to use" if you were going to retime for the 15 series needle. I have also heard told that it was a "factory approved and taught" procedure for the Scottish/UK dealers. I dont know and cant say... I do know that I used the one that came with mine, and followed the needle bar setting procedure the Hook end play and hook timing from the service manual ( and I checked the feed timing) and mine now sews correctly with reasonable thread ( no heavy upholstery stuff) at all width and length settings either straight stitch or with any of the first 10 numbered cams that I have. when I got it it was pretty prone to skipping one or more stitches per inch on any width setting above 2 (dial is maked 1-5).
SO..... I can provide some pictures and part numbers, but not for a couple weeks when Iam home, I can provide encouragement and advice if you wish to check all the settings, and I am still curious what does not work about a 319 case ( as I may need another some day )
Still really tickled that there is another 306 on the board and am looking forward to hearing of your adventures.
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Well, maybe I didn't buy Class 15 bobbins. This is what I bought from Sew-Classics:
http://shop.sew-classic.com/Bobbins-...?categoryId=-1
Will these bobbins fit other Singer machines in addition to my FW and 301 machines?
http://shop.sew-classic.com/Bobbins-...?categoryId=-1
Will these bobbins fit other Singer machines in addition to my FW and 301 machines?
Originally Posted by BoJangles
No sorry Linda, but the bobbins that fit the FW's and 301's are unique to those machines. They won't work on any other machine.
Nancy
Nancy
Joe
Nancy, don't know if this will help but here is a picture of the bobbin case for a 306K. I have another one but can't get to it right now. Don't know if it has the same bobbin or not.
here is my concern, What does not work with the bobbin case ? it flat does not fit in the machine ? the needle hits the case? it goes in but wont pick up a thread ?
if it wont go in the machine... yes then you are correct that the timing is not the problem. if it fits in but the needle hits, or thread does not pickup then it could well be that some adjustment is not correct.
I have even heard tell that the later incorrect case was a singer replacement for the correct casse and was "the one to use" if you were going to retime for the 15 series needle. I have also heard told that it was a "factory approved and taught" procedure for the Scottish/UK dealers. I dont know and cant say... I do know that I used the one that came with mine, and followed the needle bar setting procedure the Hook end play and hook timing from the service manual ( and I checked the feed timing) and mine now sews correctly with reasonable thread ( no heavy upholstery stuff) at all width and length settings either straight stitch or with any of the first 10 numbered cams that I have. when I got it it was pretty prone to skipping one or more stitches per inch on any width setting above 2 (dial is maked 1-5).
SO..... I can provide some pictures and part numbers, but not for a couple weeks when Iam home, I can provide encouragement and advice if you wish to check all the settings, and I am still curious what does not work about a 319 case ( as I may need another some day )
Still really tickled that there is another 306 on the board and am looking forward to hearing of your adventures.
if it wont go in the machine... yes then you are correct that the timing is not the problem. if it fits in but the needle hits, or thread does not pickup then it could well be that some adjustment is not correct.
I have even heard tell that the later incorrect case was a singer replacement for the correct casse and was "the one to use" if you were going to retime for the 15 series needle. I have also heard told that it was a "factory approved and taught" procedure for the Scottish/UK dealers. I dont know and cant say... I do know that I used the one that came with mine, and followed the needle bar setting procedure the Hook end play and hook timing from the service manual ( and I checked the feed timing) and mine now sews correctly with reasonable thread ( no heavy upholstery stuff) at all width and length settings either straight stitch or with any of the first 10 numbered cams that I have. when I got it it was pretty prone to skipping one or more stitches per inch on any width setting above 2 (dial is maked 1-5).
SO..... I can provide some pictures and part numbers, but not for a couple weeks when Iam home, I can provide encouragement and advice if you wish to check all the settings, and I am still curious what does not work about a 319 case ( as I may need another some day )
Still really tickled that there is another 306 on the board and am looking forward to hearing of your adventures.
I am confused, are you saying you re-timed your 306 for 15x1 needles? I wouldn't do that. I will stick with what this machine was suppose to use - unless someone else already did mess with it! In that case, I want to put it back if possible to the original settings!
Nancy
Nancy
Last edited by BoJangles; 05-23-2012 at 05:52 AM.
What we all learn here is amazing and so much fun! This thing with the 306w and the 306k just amazes me too!
Nancy
Candace, look what we have all learned due to your enabling! If it weren't for you sending me the ad, I wouldn't have picked up this machine and none of us would know how important that little letter is to the model number! I still think Singer was on drugs or something when they made these machines different! I wonder how many other models made in different factories were made different or is the 306 series an anomaly? What about the 206 and 319's?
Monica, where have you been? You like to do research!
Nancy
Monica, where have you been? You like to do research!
Nancy
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