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    I agree. Like Matt said, many of us are just a few paychecks from being homeless. It hasn't gotten that bad in my hometown, but can't be far from it. There is little industry and few jobs available. I'm afraid it may become serious soon. We need to help our neighbors.

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    Yes, it's that way all over the country. My own town last week or so ran all the homeless out of their tent city that upset so many of the public that drove past it at 50 miles per hour, though I never heard of any of them donating a lot to help the homeless. A local church is getting a lot of flack from neighbors for allowing a tent city on their property.
    They may be fresh out of a job and home, they may be and probably are drug addicts, they may be sex offenders, they may be mentally ill, they may be military who saw such horrors that their minds snapped, but in the long run they are just human beings. We do have two or more shelters, one does not allow dogs, which are their only friends and I think it's decent of them to choose their friend over relative comfort.
    I don't have an answer, neither does anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramona Byrd
    Yes, it's that way all over the country. My own town last week or so ran all the homeless out of their tent city that upset so many of the public that drove past it at 50 miles per hour, though I never heard of any of them donating a lot to help the homeless. A local church is getting a lot of flack from neighbors for allowing a tent city on their property.
    They may be fresh out of a job and home, they may be and probably are drug addicts, they may be sex offenders, they may be mentally ill, they may be military who saw such horrors that their minds snapped, but in the long run they are just human beings. We do have two or more shelters, one does not allow dogs, which are their only friends and I think it's decent of them to choose their friend over relative comfort.
    I don't have an answer, neither does anyone else..
    I think the only answer is we band together as people and do something charity wise. Research how long it takes to get on a Section 8 waiting list.

    For that matter why does Section 8 even have waiting lists?

    Just shakes head.

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    If it were not for section 8 we would be on the streets. It took us a year to get on the list and 6 months for a place to open up. I feel sorry for those who have to live in tents and a lot of them are good ppl with families who just need a job.

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    I hear u.... cjomomma!!... I didnt even TRY to get on the waiting list, I was told it was 2 yrs to get on the waiting list and min 2-3 yrs to get an opening!.. I ended up moving in with family until I could get some income and my own place. It's a tough world out there !

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    It is really getting scary for people. If you lose your job there just aren't any available. I try to do all I can.

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    In Bend, Oregon there is a group of homeless men who ask for cans. It started out with one man who for a while pedaled up and down the main thoroughfare. We gave him our bags of cans once or twice a month.
    Now several men have run this guy off and took over his spot, trashed the vacant lot.
    We now give all our cans to the local shelter.

    Given the drastic climate changes here on any given day makes you wonder why anyone would come here to be homeless.

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    Every city has empty houses galore and empty office buildings. The bankers got us into this mess. why can't they turn these into apts. for the homeless families that are living out of cars with 2-3 kids. We can give billions to help the banks and insurance co's. Let them starve and lets take care of our own. We need to band together as we do when a quilter is in a desparate way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hobo2000
    Every city has empty houses galore and empty office buildings. The bankers got us into this mess. why can't they turn these into apts. for the homeless families that are living out of cars with 2-3 kids. We can give billions to help the banks and insurance co's. Let them starve and lets take care of our own. We need to band together as we do when a quilter is in a desparate way.
    If the banks would actually work with the people who are truly doing their best to make what mortgage payments they can, we wouldn't have this problem. Sadly, the banks do better by foreclosing on houses that are covered by mortgage insurance.

    I get so disgusted reading about the huge bonuses these guys are making while, at the same time, they are ruining so many lives. The disparity between those at the top and the average worker is just obscene these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akrogirl
    Quote Originally Posted by hobo2000
    Every city has empty houses galore and empty office buildings. The bankers got us into this mess. why can't they turn these into apts. for the homeless families that are living out of cars with 2-3 kids. We can give billions to help the banks and insurance co's. Let them starve and lets take care of our own. We need to band together as we do when a quilter is in a desparate way.
    If the banks would actually work with the people who are truly doing their best to make what mortgage payments they can, we wouldn't have this problem. Sadly, the banks do better by foreclosing on houses that are covered by mortgage insurance.

    I get so disgusted reading about the huge bonuses these guys are making while, at the same time, they are ruining so many lives. The disparity between those at the top and the average worker is just obscene these days.
    There are people who truly want to make their mortgage payment and who got a "legitimate" home loan. And not one of those variable mortgages that basically let anyone with a heartbeat get a house they knew they could not afford. Especially when that big payment was due 5 or 6 years later.

    The people who ended up with a loan they couldn't pay for and the banks who made these loans along with the feds are the problem. A lot of people today live way beyond their means, credit cards, 2 or more car payments a refinanced house etc. When we applied for our home loan the mortgage people were surprised at our debt to income ratio, it was almost nil. Which made us qualify for a 5% APR interest rate 30 yr. fixed rate.

    A lot of this homeless problems is drug and alcohol related. Homelessness is defined as not having a permanent residence, living in a hotel or motel, in a travel trailer or living on someone couch as well as living in a tent or car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chasing Hawk
    Quote Originally Posted by akrogirl
    Quote Originally Posted by hobo2000
    Every city has empty houses galore and empty office buildings. The bankers got us into this mess. why can't they turn these into apts. for the homeless families that are living out of cars with 2-3 kids. We can give billions to help the banks and insurance co's. Let them starve and lets take care of our own. We need to band together as we do when a quilter is in a desparate way.
    If the banks would actually work with the people who are truly doing their best to make what mortgage payments they can, we wouldn't have this problem. Sadly, the banks do better by foreclosing on houses that are covered by mortgage insurance.

    I get so disgusted reading about the huge bonuses these guys are making while, at the same time, they are ruining so many lives. The disparity between those at the top and the average worker is just obscene these days.
    There are people who truly want to make their mortgage payment and who got a "legitimate" home loan. And not one of those variable mortgages that basically let anyone with a heartbeat get a house they knew they could not afford. Especially when that big payment was due 5 or 6 years later.

    The people who ended up with a loan they couldn't pay for and the banks who made these loans along with the feds are the problem. A lot of people today live way beyond their means, credit cards, 2 or more car payments a refinanced house etc. When we applied for our home loan the mortgage people were surprised at our debt to income ratio, it was almost nil. Which made us qualify for a 5% APR interest rate 30 yr. fixed rate.

    A lot of this homeless problems is drug and alcohol related. Homelessness is defined as not having a permanent residence, living in a hotel or motel, in a travel trailer or living on someone couch as well as living in a tent or car.
    I'm sorry but that is B.S that a lot of the homeless is due to drugs or alcohol.

    Frankly if people had to deal with the problems of being homeless they are very strong indeed if they don't turn to alcohol or drugs to keep them from spiraling down into a big depression.

    People who are loosing their houses now, aren't just the people who got a home loan that couldn't pay for it.

    And btw, there are many special needs parents who have refinanced their home and gone into debt to cover their kids treatments. They are just one disaster away from this as well.

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    Right now, so many are suffering. Yep, there are lots of diffrent reasons, but its bad for them just the same.
    When I lost my good job, I was LUCKY here to get a part time minimum wage job. BF says he wishes I had regular hours, ect. I said, yah, that will ever happen. You just have to take what you can get, if you can get anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarrieAnne
    Right now, so many are suffering. Yep, there are lots of diffrent reasons, but its bad for them just the same.
    When I lost my good job, I was LUCKY here to get a part time minimum wage job. BF says he wishes I had regular hours, ect. I said, yah, that will ever happen. You just have to take what you can get, if you can get anything.
    True, good luck on the regular hours for the BF.

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    Thanks, Chasing Hawk! Actually HE is the one with great hours, he wishes I had "normal" hours. Some days I work mornings, others afternoon, Sundays its nights....and never the same week to week, so it is hard to get a second part time job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarrieAnne
    Thanks, Chasing Hawk! Actually HE is the one with great hours, he wishes I had "normal" hours. Some days I work mornings, others afternoon, Sundays its nights....and never the same week to week, so it is hard to get a second part time job.
    Good luck, I hope you find a better job with less heckish hours.

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    I think it's time to stop pointing the finger of blame - either at the banks, the feds, or drug addicts for why people are without homes - and just DO something about the homeless!
    We can make quilts, can't we? That's what we do here after all! We can make something to comfort someone who does not have a place to live, no matter what the reason for their homelessness.

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    Sometimes a medical emergency and the horrendous expenses involved in a long illness put a family in bankruptcy and homelessness. Lets hope the medical health care will maybe keep this from happening in the future.

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    We are having a rough time. We had a business last year, and my husband was making good money. We have a home, 2 vehicles we pay on, 2 we own, and a moderate amount of credit card debt. We don't owe a lot or own a lot. We live a middle class life. We lost our business last September, so it's been a year. My husband was able to collect unemployment for a few weeks, and then finally took a job doing night stocking at the WalMart Supercenter. Imagine going from $30 an hour to 9.35 an hour. It's really hard. I work, but my paychecks go to pay for health insurance, car insurance, life insurance, taxes, truck payment, part of the mortgage. His has to go to paying off debts of the business. We pray and trust the Lord that no financial crisis hits us, like broken vehicles or other major issues. So far nothing like that has happened, but some nights I lie awake wondering how long we can keep going. We have no savings left. Anyway....there are lots of people worse off than us, but I know the feeling of never would of thought it would happen to us!

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    I see the tide turning here in michigan..Fords is hiring again, and doing great. a new parts supplier has opened a new factory in detroit..another movie company is looking in the city of warren to build a studio. I wish my DD would come back to michigan..

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    Kim, that is great news! The city I am nearest, Janesville, was based on the oldest GM plant. When they left, nearly every other factory closed. Its bad here, wish GM would come back, but they say the building is too old, ect.

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    there is an a big ad in the paper the last few weeks, Guardian Glass is hiring, 11 an hour, benifits..12 hour shifts..they have been in business since 1970. in Carleton ,mi.
    marathin oil was hiring also..i am praying this is the beginning of a major turn around. my hope is the whole country turns around. my husband and myself are both steel workers.
    it was sad to see GM/Satun go in our area too, i owned a saturn and loved it..the only reason i bought a Ford mini van, was at the time, saturn did not have a bigger vehicle for me.

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    If this issue bothers you, and makes you think about how you might be able to become part of the solution, then I have two books to suggest you read. Both are by Shane Claiborne: "The Irresistible Revolution: Living as an Ordinary Radical" http://www.amazon.com/Irresistible-R.../dp/0310266300 and "Jesus for President" http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Presiden...ref=pd_sim_b_2 They're paperback, so they're not expensive, especially if you buy them second-hand. And they're sure to get you thinking!

    Just in case the titles give you pause, consider this definition of the word "radical": Departing markedly from the usual or customary. If you look at these kinds of social issues and are not thinking "Well, that's not my problem!" or "We have social programs to take care of this" then you may already be a radical!

    (Yes it is possible to even be conservative and radical at the same time!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuail
    I think it's time to stop pointing the finger of blame - either at the banks, the feds, or drug addicts for why people are without homes - and just DO something about the homeless!
    We can make quilts, can't we? That's what we do here after all! We can make something to comfort someone who does not have a place to live, no matter what the reason for their homelessness.
    this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Favorite Fabrics
    If this issue bothers you, and makes you think about how you might be able to become part of the solution, then I have two books to suggest you read. Both are by Shane Claiborne: "The Irresistible Revolution: Living as an Ordinary Radical" http://www.amazon.com/Irresistible-R.../dp/0310266300 and "Jesus for President" http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Presiden...ref=pd_sim_b_2 They're paperback, so they're not expensive, especially if you buy them second-hand. And they're sure to get you thinking!

    Just in case the titles give you pause, consider this definition of the word "radical": Departing markedly from the usual or customary. If you look at these kinds of social issues and are not thinking "Well, that's not my problem!" or "We have social programs to take care of this" then you may already be a radical!

    (Yes it is possible to even be conservative and radical at the same time!)
    I totally agree with this. Radical is standing on your own 2 feet when the government keeps trying to control you with handouts. We take care of our own...no welfare for us. We reach out to others to help them, too. WWJD? Give a hand to someone to help them get up, not a handout to keep them dependent. That's how this nation was built...neighbors helping neighbors, families helping each other. All this social programs stuff didn't start until the 60's. Before that it was individuals making life work...what happened to that spirit of independence? Now too many people are just looking for a handout. We have tons of beggars on our street corners with signs saying "will work for food", but they won't when offered. They just want money. Sad and disgusting. I never give to them. Same people working together sitting on the same corners, they just rotate in shifts!! Can you believe it?

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