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Thread: RECENTLY LOCKED USERS (UPDATED)

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    Today, I froze the accounts of several users. Normally, I reserve that measure for cases of clear and repeated abuse.

    Well, today (just a few days after the board was attacked by some seriously messed up individuals) I encountered another kind of abuse -- by existing, well-established members.

    Why were those user accounts frozen?

    They were deleting their posts. Actually, they were replacing the contents of their posts with words "deleted", "gone", etc.

    Now, why is that a problem?

    I wouldn't mind if someone posted something, then changed their mind and asked me to delete a topic. There might be plenty of legitimate reasons for that. And I don't have a problem with that at all.

    But systematically going through the posts and intentionally ruining conversations in which other people took part is abuse as far as I'm concerned.

    To those individuals:

    You see, topics consist of individual posts.

    Topics are conversations between different people. When you make a post, other people take their time to reply to you. This is no longer just your post in a vacuum. It is a conversation. Other people put their time and effort into "creating" this conversation together with you.

    Other people might bookmark it for future reference, might send links of such conversations to their friends and guild members and so on.

    And then you come back, and replace your posts with "deleted". And completely break the topics -- those conversations are now ruined.

    Someone out there took their time to reply to you, to comment on your quilt, to share their opinion, or just to say "thanks for the tip". And what did you do? You basically spit in their face.

    All because you were in a bad mood at the moment.

    On top of that, such actions leave the message board in a messed up state. I spent close to 4 hours today fishing out and deleting all the "deleted"/"gone" posts. Just to clear things up. So that we wouldn't have a bunch of topics about nothing. So that other readers don't have to waste their time opening up page after page in hopes of reading quilting-related material just to see "deleted" on their screen.

    Thank you very much. That's four hours of my life that I'm not getting back.

    One more thing:

    I don't care for how long you've been a member of this board or how good of a quilter you are. I don't care if you threaten to leave. If you don't care about other people's time, effort and feelings, then I don't want you on this board.

    UPDATE:

    I received some communication from a few members, and as a result I would like to clarify a few things. There seems to be a lot of confusion about the cause of user bans.

    None of the users who got banned were banned for copyright discussions. They were banned for ruining the existing topics on the board and for causing havoc.

    In total 5 users had their accounts locked.

    As for the copyright discussion and the terms of use here, I can understand the concern of some people.

    I changed the terms of use for this website just so it's clear to everyone that I don't want to steal the copyright or the authorship of your posts and pics from you.

    Here is the relevant clause from the terms of use as it appears on the site now:

    Visitor agrees as a condition of viewing, that any communication between Visitor and Website is deemed a submission. By making a submission, Visitor grants the administration and the owners of the Website a worldwide, non-exclusive, irrevocable, royalty-free, sub-licenseable and transferable license to use in any way, reproduce and distribute the submission and prepare derivative works of the submission without further permission. This includes commercial and non-commercial use of all submissions, including portions thereof, graphics contained thereon, or any of the content of the submission. Visitor agrees to only communicate that information to the Website, which it wishes to forever allow the Website to use in any manner as it sees fit. "Submissions" is also a provision of the Privacy Policy.
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    By registering, you acknowledge that you have read, understood and agreed to the privacy policy and the terms of use of this website. You also agree that anything stated on this forum by its members does not represent the official position of the forum administration. The administration disclaims all responsibility for the accuracy of the information on this site and for your use or inability to use such information. You state that any posts made by you do not infringe on the copyright of others or violate anyone's rights or any laws. By posting here, you grant the administration and the owners of this site a worldwide, non-exclusive, irrevocable, royalty-free, sub-licenseable and transferable license to use in any way, reproduce and distribute your posts and prepare derivative works of your posts without further permission. The administration reserves the right to delete or alter any posts and/or disable user accounts at its own discretion.

    So in short, you keep the copyright of your posts, but allow the unlimited use of the posts by the administration.

    Why does the board need such clauses at all?

    It's unfortunate, but companies get sued by people every day for most ridiculous reasons.

    And I need to protect the board from even a remote possibility of such thing happening.

    Imagine the following scenario:

    Someone joins the message board and makes a post.
    A month later, they demand a royalty payment for displaying their work. And since the site is run by a company, not a non-profit organization, they consider it commercial use, so now they want $50,000.

    Is that likely to happen?

    Probably not, but there are enough frivolous lawsuits out there, and I don't want to take any chances.


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    Thank you

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    Thank you for informing us about what was happening.
    I really appreciate the forum and enjoy reading the posts and looking at the pictures.

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    Good luck with your efforts to resolve some problems. I hope things smooth out soon. It is a little discombobulating to see all the deleteds and gones. It's probably one of those things that will have no "please everybody" result. But thanks for trying to get the board back on an even keel. I know you and Patrice and Shadow work very hard to keep this a nice place to visit and some of us don't make your job any easier. Keep up the good work.

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    Thank you so much for all the time and effort that you put into keeping this wonderful site going. I am sure that it takes more work than we could ever imagine. We are truly grateful for your dedication.

    Also, thank you to each of the moderators for their hard work and level headedness. This is a fantastic resource and I'm so glad it's available to us.

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    Thanks admin for all your work.
    I love this site and so glad I have found it.
    Your work is greatly appreciated to provide such a helpful forum.

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    Wondered why that was happening. Thank you for looking out for those of us that value our time and efforts too!! I appreciate your vigilance and dedication :!:
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    I know you and Patrice and Shadow work very hard to keep this a nice place to visit and some of us don't make your job any easier. Keep up the good work.
    Yep, Patrice and Shadow are doing a great job in keeping the board running.

    It would be more difficult without them.

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    Wow. I don't understand what happened here. Are there some rules that maybe some of us new people don't know? Pam Nix

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    Thanks for posting this and giving us all a heads up!
    My opinion is this is a fantasitic board and I appreciate your 4 hours.
    Kirsten

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    Thanks admin. I appreciate all your hard work! You do a great job with this site, I really enjoy it.

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    Thanks Admin. I appreciate the explanation and understand your frustration at this mis-use of the message board.

    This site has been my lifeline in a difficult time. The Quilting Board has taught me how to quilt and has built my self-confidence immensely. Thank you for working to give us a site for learning and sharing.

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    Thanks Admin.
    I was a bit confused as to what happened.
    Ya leave for a bit, come back and find that things have really gone awry.
    Thanks for all you do Admin. You too, Patrice and Shadow.

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    Thank you for your time. I think all of you are doing a great job. I just love this board.

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    I agree with everyone else Thank you for spending the time to get things back in line, I spend more time here than I do at the machine but all the people on this board have become like friends to me. Admin, Patrice and Shadow keep up the good work.

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    Hey Admin...is that a picture of you.....my you are a very hansome man :oops: :oops: :wink: :roll: :lol: :D :D :D :D

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    Agreed!

    And I had the Administrator pegged as being some grey-haired old man. WOW was I wrong!




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    OK...I too agree on the nice looking!! Now..back to bizness...

    First, thank you for the board...I love it! I've learned a ton from all the information and I've made what I think are some pretty good friends. I do know that now, my days wouldn't be complete without checking in to see what everyone is doing.. So..thank all of you for keeping this going.

    With that being said...(and I do mean it)..now I'm nervous..is there a rule I don't know about that might cause me to be banned? Where are the rules so that I can read them to make sure I don't do anything wrong?

    I understand why you did what you did but I'll have to say I will miss my friends.

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    I am sorry you had 4 frustrating hours yesterday, but I too appreciate all the time and effort put into running this board. Sometimes people can behave in such a disappointing manner; but sometimes one is delightfully surprised.

    Thank you Admin, Shadow and Patrice; I am sure you don't hear that enough. :D

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    Thank you Admin., Shadow and Patrice. We appreciate all you do. I have to admit I was a bit confused about all the deletes, etc. I have learned so much and seen so many beautiful quilts to inspire me, and gotten to know many people. Thanks again for your time and patience.

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    is there a rule I don't know about that might cause me to be banned?
    Don't worry. Nobody gets banned for making a mistake.
    It's done only in the cases when it's clear that the misconduct is deliberate and systematic.

    So it's not likely that you or any user would get banned for doing something accidentally. It's really not worth worrying about.

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    Thanks for the update and clarification

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    Thanks Admin, Shadow and Patrice. I understood the premise behind the controversy, but didn't like the fact that posts were being deleted - it got a little out of control so thank you for doing something that might help get us back on the topic of quilting and friendships.

    Will those who were deleted be allowed back on after apologizing or anything?

    thanks again....

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    Will those who were deleted be allowed back on after apologizing or anything?
    I don't know. We'll see. I'll talk to other members about it. See who can vouch for who. But in any case, it will be done privately. This has been enough of a distraction already.

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    Thank you Admin for all you do. You have a thankless job. Well, I say that but look at how many people are thanking you. :-)

    I greatly enjoy this board. Thank you for creating it. I understand the liabilities one has in having a forum as this and agree to your terms.

    Thanks to Patrice and Shadow, too!


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