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    AARGH!!! Found it cheaper on Craigslist after buying one!

    I just bought a Janome 8200 for $1700 + tax a couple of weeks ago...then today I find a Pfaff Expression 3.0 on Craigslist for $800. Main differences is that the Janome has an 11" throat, the Pfaff has a 10" throat. The Janome has a thread cutter, the Pfaff does not (not such a dealbreaker, and certainly not a feature worth the $1000 savings). The Pfaff comes with all of the feet, she bought it new about 1 1/2 years ago, still has the box. I no longer have the box for the Janome as I thought I would have this machine for years and years and seriously hate keeping boxes.

    My question to you is how comparable (from your experience) are these two machines? Do you prefer one over the other and if so, why?
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    I, for one, would never scoff at having the extra inch for years and years to come.

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    Congratulations, you are the winner! Janome beats Pfaff hands down these days. It took me two 8K mistakes to figure that one out. The old Pfaffs, made in Germany, cannot be beat. The new Pfaffs, made since the 1990's, are not very well made and have lots of problems. Janome on the other hand, it what Pfaff USED to be. I have a Pfaff 2134 and a Janome 6500, both are workhorses. I have gotten rid of two newer Pfaffs in the last 4 years, TOL models, that were junk. My main go-to machine is now a Babylock, next the Janome and the Pfaff 2134 stays packed up to go to classes. This is my experience and my opinion, if you disagree, you have a right to your opinion...some have better experiences with different machines. Personnally, if I live to be 100, I will NEVER buy another Pfaff anything.

    PS: Don't you wonder why they were selling the Pfaff on Craigs list so cheaply? Because it was a piece of junk!
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    Like I always tell my husband after he buys something. STOP LOOKING!!!!! YOU BOUGHT ONE!!!! It just makes him crazy second guessing himself.
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    Never look back...you will always find something to regret even if there is
    nothing to regret. That's my motto and I'm sticking to it.
    Hope you enjoy your new Janome as much as I do. I've had the Janome
    6600 for a few years and never had any problem other than human error.
    If I buy a new machine it will probably be another Janome - the 8200 or
    8900. Haven't seen it in person yet to decide. But I sure want a bigger
    throat space.

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    Really I have never found that second guessing or still looking to see if I got a great deal on something is worth the aggravation that it causes. Once you pull the trigger just be happy and don't go there IMHO. Congratulations on your new baby, and may you have TONS of FUN using it. Toni

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    Well if it bothered me that much I would have bought the Pfaff too to see which one I liked the best then I would sell the one I didn't want to keep. Once I buy something it was worth it to me to pay the price asked so I don't fret over the buy. I have the auto thread cutter and after having used one, it would be a deal breaker for me.
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    I was looking for a sewing table for the Janome, and ran across the Pfaff. She is selling it because she just bought a sewing/embroidery machine with a large throat. Once I buy something, I too stop looking. I am happy with the Janome, and if it's that much better of a machine than the Pfaff, I will take your word for it. I looked at the machine on the Pfaff website, the brochure doesn't do much to sell the machine in my opinion although it has a nice chart comparing their models.
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    I don't see a problem. I would rather have the Janome w/11" throat. Sounds like you gat a great deal. If you wait for wonderful deals and prices, you may never buy anything. If I want something I buy it and don't fret if a better price comes along. Guess maybe I have a flaw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BellaBoo View Post
    I have the auto thread cutter and after having used one, it would be a deal breaker for me.
    This is how I feel too. After having an auto thread cutter, I don't want to go back.

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    Just want to say: Not all Pfaffs made since 1990's are junk. That's not even sensible. They would be out of business if that were so.

    The Paff I bought 2 years ago is a wonderful machine with not one bit of problem.

    I know nothing about Janome except that I read about problems with them on this board also. So should I say that all Janomes are junk? Don't think so.

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    I have an older Pfaff, and a new one and two Janomes, one older, one new. I have had no problem with any of them. I use them for different purposes plus have reliable machines when my daughters come to sew.
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    Another thing to think about - you have a warranty with your Janome and there would be none with the Pfaff. If something was wrong or went wrong with the Pfaff you would spend more than that $1,000 in repair bills.

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    I switched from an old Pfaff to new Janomes. I did not like the new Pfaffs. Hopefully you will find the same. As for the thread cutter, once you are used to it, you will not want to do without it especially is you do the actually quilting on the Janome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sewmary View Post
    Just want to say: Not all Pfaffs made since 1990's are junk. That's not even sensible. They would be out of business if that were so.

    The Paff I bought 2 years ago is a wonderful machine with not one bit of problem.

    I know nothing about Janome except that I read about problems with them on this board also. So should I say that all Janomes are junk? Don't think so.
    As I said in my message, it is MY OPINION. I have been stung real bad by Pfaff in the last 5 years. Glad to hear you love yours, to each his own. She asked OPINIONS on which machine we liked better, Janome or Pfaff, and I gave my OPINION. ????
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    Quote Originally Posted by quiltstringz View Post
    Another thing to think about - you have a warranty with your Janome and there would be none with the Pfaff. If something was wrong or went wrong with the Pfaff you would spend more than that $1,000 in repair bills.
    Exactly. Buying from a reputable dealer with a warranty vs. an unknown Craigs List seller???

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    You don't realize how nice the thread cutter is until your machine is in for service & you have to use your old one, which has noo thread cutter or auto threading. Those 2 things are worth their weight in gold.

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    Does your Janome have the built in walking foot? I was looking at a 3.0 one time. A person who worked in the store caught my eye and shook their head "No". I walked away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch's mom View Post
    Does your Janome have the built in walking foot? I was looking at a 3.0 one time. A person who worked in the store caught my eye and shook their head "No". I walked away.
    I agree. That walking foot on my 1995 made in Germany Pfaff is worth it's weight in gold. It's my go to machine when I want to SID. There's absolutely no slipping with the automatic walking foot. It's by far the best feature on the machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prissnboot View Post
    I just bought a Janome 8200 for $1700 + tax a couple of weeks ago...then today I find a Pfaff Expression 3.0 on Craigslist for $800. Main differences is that the Janome has an 11" throat, the Pfaff has a 10" throat. The Janome has a thread cutter, the Pfaff does not (not such a dealbreaker, and certainly not a feature worth the $1000 savings). The Pfaff comes with all of the feet, she bought it new about 1 1/2 years ago, still has the box. I no longer have the box for the Janome as I thought I would have this machine for years and years and seriously hate keeping boxes.

    My question to you is how comparable (from your experience) are these two machines? Do you prefer one over the other and if so, why?
    You got a great deal and that is a wonderful machine. The 8200 arounf here is a lot more than that. Janome makes a wonderful machine. I had a MC9000 for years and now have a Elna 740, which is the samwe as the Janome . I love mine and would not take for it. Enjoy your machine and smile about your good deal.
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    You can always find a better deal if you long enough. You have to make a decision at some point. Stop punishing yourself and enjoy your purchase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michellesews View Post
    Congratulations, you are the winner! Janome beats Pfaff hands down these days. It took me two 8K mistakes to figure that one out. The old Pfaffs, made in Germany, cannot be beat. The new Pfaffs, made since the 1990's, are not very well made and have lots of problems. Janome on the other hand, it what Pfaff USED to be. I have a Pfaff 2134 and a Janome 6500, both are workhorses. I have gotten rid of two newer Pfaffs in the last 4 years, TOL models, that were junk. My main go-to machine is now a Babylock, next the Janome and the Pfaff 2134 stays packed up to go to classes. This is my experience and my opinion, if you disagree, you have a right to your opinion...some have better experiences with different machines. Personnally, if I live to be 100, I will NEVER buy another Pfaff anything.

    PS: Don't you wonder why they were selling the Pfaff on Craigs list so cheaply? Because it was a piece of junk!
    I agree about the German made Pfaff machine. My daughter is still using the one I used in my Upholstery business.
    It has to be at least 25 years old by now.
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    I, too, think the
    new pfaffs are not as nice as the old ones. But even so, remember that there must be a reason the seller was willing to let it go for a lower price. Don't second guess your great new machine - ENJOY!!

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    You do not say where you bought the machine. I would not buy a expensive machine from craiglist as you do not have any support that way. A dealer may cost more but they take care of problems.

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    I've never tried the Janome. There is no dealer anywhere near me. I have the Pfaff Expression 2.0 which has an 11" harp. I love it dearly and have not had a moment's trouble with it in the 4 years I've owned it. I clean it thoroughly myself after every project, and it has never been in the sm hospital. Thread cutters were a new thing (at least to me) when I bought my machine and I was leary of them. I can now see that one would be nice, but I'm not running out to get a new machine just for the cutter. If you are happy with what you got that's all that counts.

    As far as service, while there is no guarantee on a used machine, the guarantee on a new one is not forever. A dealer will service a machine (if he/she is worth their salt) whether you bought it from them or not. If they wouldn't, I would take ALL my business to a dealer who would.
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