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    Quote Originally Posted by Lori S
    Batiks are Notorious for running. I will not use any batik without using Retayne. It does not matter who the manufacture of hte batik is , I have had them all run Vinegar will not work on cotton fabrics. Do note once treated with Retayne only wash with cold water.
    I am surprised that there is not some kind of label on the fabric , that we all end up having to "learn" this lesson from experience or word of mouth.
    It's not that vinegar won't work on cotton, it's that the dye itself.....depending on the chemical colors....may not set with acid-based mordants. Sometimes salt works, sometimes acid, sometimes alum, sometimes something else.

    Remember the term "Madder" that is often seen in reproduction fabric prints? It is a plant used for dying fabric red. At that same time they were using madder (and other plants), the dyers used alum, iron, etc. to "set" the dye. What does iron do? It rusts.....hence many antique fabrics which were set with iron mordant have 'rusted' away, leaving strings and holes in some really wonderful old quilts and clothing.

    It's likely the mordant, the setting agent, that wasn't added properly to this batik that bled for her. And as we don't know what chemical dyes are now used on any given fabric, we can't know whether salt/vinegar/etc. is what we should use at home on it.

    Retayne is a huge benefit to us! And if you're dying your own stuff, try Synthropol when setting it, then wash later with Retayne.

    Jan in VA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan in VA
    And if you're dying your own stuff, try Synthropol when setting it, then wash later with Retayne.
    Actually, I would recommend just the opposite -- setting the dye with Retayne, then washing later with Synthrapol (so any unset dye particles are suspended in water and rinsed away).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prism99
    Quote Originally Posted by Jan in VA
    And if you're dying your own stuff, try Synthropol when setting it, then wash later with Retayne.
    Actually, I would recommend just the opposite -- setting the dye with Retayne, then washing later with Synthrapol (so any unset dye particles are suspended in water and rinsed away).
    I agree , that Synthropol should be used for items that are already constructed . Retayne for yardage prior to construction.
    Do note that the instructions for care once treated with Sythropol require that the item be washed in warm water for subsiquint washings to remain effective( this is on the manufactures instructions) . Retayne requires cold wash for any washes after treatment( also on the manufactures care instructions) .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepita
    I have been a non washer for a long time. However, I started a applique quilt with pink, dark pink, and green batiks. In the course of working on the blocks, I think I got a place dirty and rinsed the block. The red bled. I have hand washed the red now.

    One thing I learned is that red has very large dye molecules. I use auburn hair dye, and hair dressers tell me it doesn't last as long because of this large molecule issue.

    I have only had issues with red running, but purple is part red. Thank you for the warning. I think Prisim 99 is right in that what washed out is unset dye. However, it never should have made it to market with that much discharge. (enought to change a dark purple, to a lavender)

    I do think I would take it back to who ever you bought it from and show them what happened. They may make restitution.
    What's more important is they may want to pull that bolt off the shelf and report it to their supplier.

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    What a shame but some of the "True" Batiks do run and you have to use "ReTayne' on them, I bought Jelly Rolls from Indonesia and they RUN!!

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    Oh sweetie, TAKE IT BACK.....I appreciate that batiks will run, but that is beyond acceptable.....
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    I would take it back too! Thank goodness,you prewashed it!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarn or Fabric
    Okay... you guys probably know what I'm about to say... but I have to grumble anyway just to get it off my chest...

    I am a prewasher since I don't like shrinkage after all my time and energy .. and this is one of those times that I am soooo glad that I actually looked in the washing machine as I was dumping "like" colors in to it - and saw the dye just running like a stream off of that batik...

    I pulled it out, quickly, drained the washer to get any dye out of it and ran the machine without it....

    Yup. It's lavender and those 4 yards of beautiful, deep purple batiks will not be used for this project... at least for the front of it. I might just use it for backing at this point... but I'm saddened. I'll probably have to make a special trip out to the store to get more dark purple fabric to go in to the project but at this point, I'm hoping I can just do without :'(


    Okay.
    I feel better now. It's off my chest.
    Blankety blank batik. Grrrr.
    Okay. NOW it's off my chest :D
    I sometimes take fabric that's bleeding and put a large (8 gal) pot with water and a bottle of vinegar to boil. I boil the fabric in the vinegar/water mix and it seems to set the colors.

    You might get some RIT purple dye and redye the entire piece. At this point you wouldn't be losing anything and the dye will react differently with the different colors already in the batik. If you want to see how it'll come out take a package of grape or raspberry koolaid (without sugar) and a fat quarter or just an 8 x 10 square. Soak it in the koolaid for about an hour. Take it out, dry it, and iron it. That'll tell you what it will look like after dyeing.

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    To ptquilts: I dont know, but my family has the loveliest shade of cotton underwear...I have bleached, boiled and have done everything I can think of - outside of dyeing them all a shade of purple...wonder what the boys in the gym would think of that?

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    I dye a lot of my own fabric. Look for a product called Retayne. It is added to the wash water to safely remove any excess dye and fix the dye in the cloth. Sounds like the dyer in your case did not leave the cloth in the dyebath long enough to get it to set. I get my dye supplies from Dharma Trading and they have an online store. Retayne is good for any fabric you think might bleed and helps with color migration from light to dark fabrics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prism99
    That sounds like unset dye continuing to run. I would have prewashed the fabric in Retayne to set the dye permanently. Vinegar doesn't work to set modern chemical dyes, and that is what is used in most of the fabrics we purchase. (Vinegar is useful to set organic dyes.)
    i also use retayne the way it says to on the label. if i have any doubt after one washing i do it again. since i started doing that, i haven't had any problems.
    we won't talk about before.

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    I disagree about Walmart. I have never had a problem taking ANYTHING back. Customer service is the name of the game in todays market. Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lori S
    Quote Originally Posted by Prism99
    Quote Originally Posted by Jan in VA
    And if you're dying your own stuff, try Synthropol when setting it, then wash later with Retayne.
    Actually, I would recommend just the opposite -- setting the dye with Retayne, then washing later with Synthrapol (so any unset dye particles are suspended in water and rinsed away).
    I agree , that Synthropol should be used for items that are already constructed . Retayne for yardage prior to construction.
    Do note that the instructions for care once treated with Sythropol require that the item be washed in warm water for subsiquint washings to remain effective( this is on the manufactures instructions) . Retayne requires cold wash for any washes after treatment( also on the manufactures care instructions) .
    Oops! I stand corrected, LOL!
    Jan in VA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarn or Fabric
    Okay... you guys probably know what I'm about to say... but I have to grumble anyway just to get it off my chest...

    I've started piecing table runners for the dressers & nightstands in my newly painted and rearranged bedroom (which if I haven't said it lately, man I love the new color & yay! Finally after 5 years of fighting to get the furniture rearranged, it's done and hubby loves it and wishes we did it ages ago...) but anyhoooo.... I picked out some fabrics, including one deep, dark marbled purple batik to use in the runners...

    I am a prewasher since I don't like shrinkage after all my time and energy .. and this is one of those times that I am soooo glad that I actually looked in the washing machine as I was dumping "like" colors in to it - and saw the dye just running like a stream off of that batik...

    I pulled it out, quickly, drained the washer to get any dye out of it and ran the machine without it....

    Took said beautiful deep purple batik to the kitchen sink and proceeded to hand wash the heck out of it until it looked like it was running clear.. then had it soak in a bucket with some vinegar and then after awhile, rinsed it, only to see yet more dye... hand washed it some more.. and more and finally when I felt comfortable enough, put it in the washer... with an extra rinse. by the end of the final extra rinse, there was no more dye tinge in the water... safe!

    Dried it, ironed it, nearly in tears as I held the iron..

    Yup. It's lavender and those 4 yards of beautiful, deep purple batiks will not be used for this project... at least for the front of it. I might just use it for backing at this point... but I'm saddened. I'll probably have to make a special trip out to the store to get more dark purple fabric to go in to the project but at this point, I'm hoping I can just do without :'(


    Okay.
    I feel better now. It's off my chest.
    Blankety blank batik. Grrrr.
    Okay. NOW it's off my chest :D
    Definitely take it back to the place you bought it. It should not have done that. I always prewash my batiks for fear of bleeding, but I use Shout Color Catcher and the batiks rarely bleed even a tiny bit, even the dark colors. You also should be sure to buy good quality fabrics and you won't have these problems. Good luck.

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    I'll see about taking it back next time I'm there. I need to go in to town tomorrow or Friday. I want to take it back to compare it to the original as well... maybe I'm just blowing it out of proportion but I don't think so. It is definitely not the shade I bought abut we'll see...

    I'll let you all know what happens after I go back to the store. I do want to get the manufacturer info off of the bolt no matter what....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarn or Fabric
    I had considered taking it back - although I didn't get it from a quilt shop.. it came from the evil empire. Having said that, I have never had fabric run like this in the past - even evil empire material. I didn't see a purple that quite worked at Hancocks and Hobby Lobby was closed since I got it on a Sunday... I know the dye is out now or at least I'm pretty confident it is.

    I wonder if the evil empire would take it back... I might call the manufacturer if I can find it on the bolt next time I'm at the store... til then, it's okay. I am just soooo happy that I'm a prewasher cause I tell you what, I would have been soooo ticked if it happened afterwards. It would have totally ruined my runners & anything else that was in the wash too.. not to mention, it would not look quite match... so much for finding that perfect shade of purple. I was sooo thrilled when I found it since it matched 100% perfectly... well, til I washed it lol.
    Yes!!!Take it back. If you still have the receipt, it will be easier to get them to refund your $$. But even without a receipt, yell, cry, stomp your feet, till they take it back. :!: :!:

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    My DH has many colors of BVDs! Any cotton undergarments will work for testing colorfastness.

    Deep reds and blues tend to bleed the worst. I always test those by dipping a corner in hot water - if I see any bleeding, I use Retayne before washing.

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    How much Epsom Salt do you use?


    Quote Originally Posted by crashnquilt
    I've not heard of a batik running that But, you can also use Epsom Salt to set dye in fabrics. It works great and much cheaper and readily available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarn or Fabric
    Okay... you guys probably know what I'm about to say... but I have to grumble anyway just to get it off my chest...

    I've started piecing table runners for the dressers & nightstands in my newly painted and rearranged bedroom (which if I haven't said it lately, man I love the new color & yay! Finally after 5 years of fighting to get the furniture rearranged, it's done and hubby loves it and wishes we did it ages ago...) but anyhoooo.... I picked out some fabrics, including one deep, dark marbled purple batik to use in the runners...

    I am a prewasher since I don't like shrinkage after all my time and energy .. and this is one of those times that I am soooo glad that I actually looked in the washing machine as I was dumping "like" colors in to it - and saw the dye just running like a stream off of that batik...

    I pulled it out, quickly, drained the washer to get any dye out of it and ran the machine without it....

    Took said beautiful deep purple batik to the kitchen sink and proceeded to hand wash the heck out of it until it looked like it was running clear.. then had it soak in a bucket with some vinegar and then after awhile, rinsed it, only to see yet more dye... hand washed it some more.. and more and finally when I felt comfortable enough, put it in the washer... with an extra rinse. by the end of the final extra rinse, there was no more dye tinge in the water... safe!

    Dried it, ironed it, nearly in tears as I held the iron..

    Yup. It's lavender and those 4 yards of beautiful, deep purple batiks will not be used for this project... at least for the front of it. I might just use it for backing at this point... but I'm saddened. I'll probably have to make a special trip out to the store to get more dark purple fabric to go in to the project but at this point, I'm hoping I can just do without :'(


    Okay.
    I feel better now. It's off my chest.
    Blankety blank batik. Grrrr.
    Okay. NOW it's off my chest :D
    I had this happen to a quilt that was made for me, and I didn't realize that it would bleed. Now I wash my quilts #1 in cold water, #two, I always use twqoor three fabric sheets that grab the color so it doesn't run back into the fabric, and I also use some Synthropol to help make the extra dye come out. Too much washing like you did will eventually lighten the color. Better you discovered this before you used it in a quilt.
    You might email the company who makes the fabric and ask them how you can stop this dye release. If you get an answer, let us know, okay!

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    I usually pre wash and definitly batiks. Some of my batiks run some don't. One lady told me she does not prewash but when she finishes the quilt she washes it with the Shout color catcher sheets. I thought that would be O K til now. If it changes the color that drasticly, it could throw the colors off on the quilt.

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    Ahhh that is a bummer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarn or Fabric
    I had considered taking it back - although I didn't get it from a quilt shop.. it came from the evil empire. Having said that, I have never had fabric run like this in the past - even evil empire material. I didn't see a purple that quite worked at Hancocks and Hobby Lobby was closed since I got it on a Sunday... I know the dye is out now or at least I'm pretty confident it is.

    I wonder if the evil empire would take it back... I might call the manufacturer if I can find it on the bolt next time I'm at the store... til then, it's okay. I am just soooo happy that I'm a prewasher cause I tell you what, I would have been soooo ticked if it happened afterwards. It would have totally ruined my runners & anything else that was in the wash too.. not to mention, it would not look quite match... so much for finding that perfect shade of purple. I was sooo thrilled when I found it since it matched 100% perfectly... well, til I washed it lol.
    The evil Empire?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarn or Fabric
    Okay... you guys probably know what I'm about to say... but I have to grumble anyway just to get it off my chest...

    I've started piecing table runners for the dressers & nightstands in my newly painted and rearranged bedroom (which if I haven't said it lately, man I love the new color & yay! Finally after 5 years of fighting to get the furniture rearranged, it's done and hubby loves it and wishes we did it ages ago...) but anyhoooo.... I picked out some fabrics, including one deep, dark marbled purple batik to use in the runners...

    I am a prewasher since I don't like shrinkage after all my time and energy .. and this is one of those times that I am soooo glad that I actually looked in the washing machine as I was dumping "like" colors in to it - and saw the dye just running like a stream off of that batik...

    I pulled it out, quickly, drained the washer to get any dye out of it and ran the machine without it....

    Took said beautiful deep purple batik to the kitchen sink and proceeded to hand wash the heck out of it until it looked like it was running clear.. then had it soak in a bucket with some vinegar and then after awhile, rinsed it, only to see yet more dye... hand washed it some more.. and more and finally when I felt comfortable enough, put it in the washer... with an extra rinse. by the end of the final extra rinse, there was no more dye tinge in the water... safe!

    Dried it, ironed it, nearly in tears as I held the iron..

    Yup. It's lavender and those 4 yards of beautiful, deep purple batiks will not be used for this project... at least for the front of it. I might just use it for backing at this point... but I'm saddened. I'll probably have to make a special trip out to the store to get more dark purple fabric to go in to the project but at this point, I'm hoping I can just do without :'(


    Okay.
    I feel better now. It's off my chest.
    Blankety blank batik. Grrrr.
    Okay. NOW it's off my chest :D
    Oh Yarn I'm so sorry.
    You know since it lost so much of the dye, I think I'd go ask the folks where you bought it from if they were aware that it looses ALL of its color. I mean you bought purple not lavender. I'm not saying that they will do anything about it but Gee, that just sucks. Perhaps they will give you another yardage of it and you can set the dye yourself before it has a chance to bleed out?
    Just a thought. Hope it all works out for you. :lol:
    Faith :XD:

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    If you are talking about WalMart - usually the fabrics I've purchased there have good manners - but one piece (orange halloween print) ran and ran and ran - I still had the receipt - and was allowed to return it.

    I think a commercially dyed fabric should NOT need the use of Retayne and/or Synthropol when washed - or vinegar or salt or anything else, for that matter.

    If it does, I consider it improperly manufactured.



    P.S. Glad you didn't wreck your other fabrics with this stinker.

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    I am so sorry this happened to you. I would take it back to the store and at least Get your money back. God bless.

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