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Thread: Bow Tucks pattern & E-bay seller -SCAM

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    Super Member donnajean's Avatar
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    Would you belive the E-bay seller 2002misty is still posting the Bow Tucks & Mini Bow Tucks patterns with a starting bid of $5.99, with free shipping. This is the same seller that sent me "photo copies" of the Mini Bow Tucks pattern last week. Penny Sturges' Operations manager has replied to my e-mail regarding this issue & I have left negative feedback for my purchase.

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    So she is copying a pattern and selling it as a new one? That is WRONG! Glad you left negative feedback. If someone thinks they can get away with this, they will. You should also contact E-bay. They won't tolerate it.

    BTW - - She has blackened the name of "Misty"! For shame!!!! (That really is my name... Misty... but my e-bay name is lovinquilting... just in case anyone might think that person is me 8-) )

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    I did file a complaint with E-bay indicating the pattern was a "fake/forgery". The 2002misty seller refunded my money - with no communication back, but she is still permitted to post on E-bay. If you look at this sellers feedback, she has sold a number of these patterns. I hope future bidders see my feedback about the patterns being photo copies.

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    I have had this happen to me before... got an e-copy of a book. I e-mailed the seller and told her that she either refund my money and removed her listing, or I would turn her in for copyright violation. She did not have the right to scan a book and send it out as a PDF. She refunded my money. I was afraid to leave negative feedback at the time because at the time, sellers could still leave negative feedback for buyers and I wanted to keep my 100% rating.

    Give e-Bay time. They will probably look into it and will put her account on suspension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MistyMarie
    So she is copying a pattern and selling it as a new one? That is WRONG! Glad you left negative feedback. If someone thinks they can get away with this, they will. You should also contact E-bay. They won't tolerate it.

    BTW - - She has blackened the name of "Misty"! For shame!!!! (That really is my name... Misty... but my e-bay name is lovinquilting... just in case anyone might think that person is me 8-) )
    lol...That is really my name, too. And I thought the same thing. My ebay name is oncearoundtheworld. This is NOT me!

    Donnajean, I am glad you reported her. It really isn't fair that she is making a profit off of someone else's hard work. All it takes is one person to spoil it for everyone.

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    That is just wrong. And I am sure she knows it. What most people do not realize is that not just the seller can get in trouble, the buyers can as well.

    A few years ago I bought a design for my embroidery machine on cd. In her ad she said it was an original. And she had sold hundreds. I was new to machine embroidery and had never seen the design. Well, I got a letter, well over a year later, stating that I had purchased stolen property. WTH? I did not. The wanted me to go to TX and a bunch of other stuff or I could pay 300 bucks. So ridiculous. After some research I did find out that the demands were pretty much just as much a scam as the seller was pulling. I was still scared they would come after me, but they never did, thank goodness.
    Donna Jean, you did right by turning her in and demanding a refund. That puts you in the clear if the owner of the pattern ever decides to prosecute.

    When I first saw people selling the bags here I went over my Bow Tuck patterns, purchased at a LQS, and I could not find anywhere on it that says the pattern is copyrighted. I am sure that does not mean it isn't, and maybe the more recent ones do say that they are. I have no idea. Even so, I still think it is wrong to sell copies of an original pattern, unless it is your own.

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    Well, yesterday I gave the 2002misty seller name, her mailing address & e-mail address to Penny's Organization Manager-who responded to my e-mail when I notified the designer by e-mail. I just notified her again tonight about the current posting on E-bay by the same seller. I'm assuming that Penny had the patterns copyrighted, but I don't see any indication on the photo copies I received.


    Quote Originally Posted by MistyMarie
    I have had this happen to me before... got an e-copy of a book. I e-mailed the seller and told her that she either refund my money and removed her listing, or I would turn her in for copyright violation. She did not have the right to scan a book and send it out as a PDF. She refunded my money. I was afraid to leave negative feedback at the time because at the time, sellers could still leave negative feedback for buyers and I wanted to keep my 100% rating.

    Give e-Bay time. They will probably look into it and will put her account on suspension.

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    Thing like that just make me sick. Why do people think they can do that. It's stealing someone else s work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katia
    That is just wrong. And I am sure she knows it. What most people do not realize is that not just the seller can get in trouble, the buyers can as well.

    A few years ago I bought a design for my embroidery machine on cd. In her ad she said it was an original. And she had sold hundreds. I was new to machine embroidery and had never seen the design. Well, I got a letter, well over a year later, stating that I had purchased stolen property. WTH? I did not. The wanted me to go to TX and a bunch of other stuff or I could pay 300 bucks. So ridiculous. After some research I did find out that the demands were pretty much just as much a scam as the seller was pulling. I was still scared they would come after me, but they never did, thank goodness.
    Donna Jean, you did right by turning her in and demanding a refund. That puts you in the clear if the owner of the pattern ever decides to prosecute.

    When I first saw people selling the bags here I went over my Bow Tuck patterns, purchased at a LQS, and I could not find anywhere on it that says the pattern is copyrighted. I am sure that does not mean it isn't, and maybe the more recent ones do say that they are. I have no idea. Even so, I still think it is wrong to sell copies of an original pattern, unless it is your own.
    I found where it shows it's copyrighted! The colored picture of the bag, the page that is folded in half with the pattern inside, on the back side of this page at the VERY bottom on the lefthand side. After where it says "If you have any questions........ then it has the copyright symbol 2008 Quiltsillustrated, Inc. All rights reserved.

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    Donna, I just went on E-bay and looked this seller up and I have a question for you. Did the pattern that you bought look like the pic that she has on her ebay site? Is the three page pattern enclosed in a piece of paper that has the purse in color on the front?

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    The photo copy I received does not have anything on the back of the page with the bag pictured. This page is not even a good color copy.







    I found where it shows it's copyrighted! The colored picture of the bag, the page that is folded in half with the pattern inside, on the back side of this page at the VERY bottom on the lefthand side. After where it says "If you have any questions........ then it has the copyright symbol 2008 Quiltsillustrated, Inc. All rights reserved.[/quote]

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    I just looked again and mine do not have that. It has the rest of it, but not the copyright symbol or the all rights reserved part. I got the patterns at a LQS in TX when I was visiting my sister there. I got them in March of this year.

    I am wondering if they realized they needed that and did it with further printings?

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    E-bay seller 2002misty -that sold me the photo copy -is from Reno, NV


    Quote Originally Posted by Katia
    I just looked again and mine do not have that. It has the rest of it, but not the copyright symbol or the all rights reserved part. I got the patterns at a LQS in TX when I was visiting my sister there. I got them in March of this year.

    I am wondering if they realized they needed that and did it with further printings?

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    Yes, what I got looks like the picture in her E-bay postings. You can tell mine is a photo copy as the color on the pictured bag page is too faded & the bottom lines of the pattern pages were cut off by the photo copier. She put the copy in a plastic bag, but the bag is not the correct size for this size pattern. The Designer's rep assured me that their patterns are professionally printed.

    Quote Originally Posted by dkabasketlady
    Donna, I just went on E-bay and looked this seller up and I have a question for you. Did the pattern that you bought look like the pic that she has on her ebay site? Is the three page pattern enclosed in a piece of paper that has the purse in color on the front?

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    If ebay doesn't catch up with her then her feedback will, if people like you report her and give her the red dot.
    Good for you- that's just plain wrong to do what she did :(

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    My copy of the picture of the purse is one piece of paper that is folded in half with the three pages of instructions enclosed inside. The folded paper has the purse on one side and the measurements for the purse on the other, but NOTHING on the back side of the page!!! Is that the way yours is?

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    The pattern I purchased was the "Mini Bow Tuck" and there is nothing on the back of the folded in half page that has the bag pictured in color.

    Quote Originally Posted by dkabasketlady
    My copy of the picture of the purse is one piece of paper that is folded in half with the three pages of instructions enclosed inside. The folded paper has the purse on one side and the measurements for the purse on the other, but NOTHING on the back side of the page!!! Is that the way yours is?

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    Thanks for the info and warning. I was going to buy one on ebay this weekend because I haven't seen it at my LQS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnajean
    The pattern I purchased was the "Mini Bow Tuck" and there is nothing on the back of the folded in half page that has the bag pictured in color.

    Quote Originally Posted by dkabasketlady
    My copy of the picture of the purse is one piece of paper that is folded in half with the three pages of instructions enclosed inside. The folded paper has the purse on one side and the measurements for the purse on the other, but NOTHING on the back side of the page!!! Is that the way yours is?
    That's the exact one I bought and I think you have an ORIGINAL pattern!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dkabasketlady
    Quote Originally Posted by donnajean
    The pattern I purchased was the "Mini Bow Tuck" and there is nothing on the back of the folded in half page that has the bag pictured in color.

    Quote Originally Posted by dkabasketlady
    My copy of the picture of the purse is one piece of paper that is folded in half with the three pages of instructions enclosed inside. The folded paper has the purse on one side and the measurements for the purse on the other, but NOTHING on the back side of the page!!! Is that the way yours is?
    That's the exact one I bought and I think you have an ORIGINAL pattern!!!
    I just bought one last week at my LQS, and this is also the way mine is printed. I think it also sounds like an orginal Mini.

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    KATIA:

    Penny Sturges says it is okay to sell a bag you make from her pattern. here is the link from her site. Look on the right hand side at the top of frame.

    http://www.quiltsillustrated.com/about-us.htm

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    If she hasn't already, the owner/designer of the pattern needs to fill out a VeRO form with eBay, and they'll shut down any copycats in a heartbeat.

    Here's a link describing the VeRO program:

    http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/...s-vero-ov.html

    And here's a link to the form she'll need to fill out:

    http://pages.ebay.com/vero/notice.html

    If you'd like to pass this information along to her, that'll be great. :)

    Sometimes it's harder for a "regular" eBayer to get eBay's attention regarding copyright infringement, but from my experience, once the copyright owner steps up and fills out the VeRO form, they'll shut down the listings so fast the seller's head will be spinning. ;-)

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    I have no problem with people selling the bags, I think it is great. Also wonderful that Penny is cool with it. But I don't like the idea of someone selling the photocopied pattern, if that is what is happening. I have seen it so much on Ebay. If it is a very old pattern that is no longer available for sale, maybe that would be different. But when the pattern is still selling in stores and on her website, then she is taking away profits from the designer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katia
    I have no problem with people selling the bags, I think it is great. Also wonderful that Penny is cool with it. But I don't like the idea of someone selling the photocopied pattern, if that is what is happening. I have seen it so much on Ebay. If it is a very old pattern that is no longer available for sale, maybe that would be different. But when the pattern is still selling in stores and on her website, then she is taking away profits from the designer.
    I agree 10000000%. I just thought i would share the link as an FYI.

    Ebay is a good thing and a bad thing. I have been burnt a couple times myself, didn't take long to learn and take everything with a grain of salt. :)

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    Katia,
    I think you misunderstood this posting for the Bow Tucks "pattern". Of course there is no problem selling the bags, but selling "photo copies" of the designer's pattern - which has been confirmed by Quilts Illustrated - is not o.k.

    The photo copied pages have been folded in half "like the original pattern", but the print does not go all the way to the edges of the paper due to photo copier cut off.

    Quote Originally Posted by knlsmith
    KATIA:

    Penny Sturges says it is okay to sell a bag you make from her pattern. here is the link from her site. Look on the right hand side at the top of frame.

    http://www.quiltsillustrated.com/about-us.htm

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