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    I think that initially when I heard that some people entered shows with quilts that others quilted, I also thought like the OP...but then I realized that you are supposed to give credit to the one who actually quilted the quilt if it was a different person than the piecer. So, if that is the case, then both are given credit and that seems fair enough.

    The only reason it seems wrong to many is that if the judging is the "quilting" primarily (as opposed to the piecing of the top), then it seems like the wrong person is getting the ribbon. However, it appears like the judges have figured it all out and seem to cover all the bases, making sure everyone gets the credit they deserve.

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    All I have to say is that I use my own patterns, I piece it myself, quilt it and bind it myself. If I win, it is all me and my effort. I do not think it is fair to have my quilts judged in the same category as professionally quilted ones, but hey that will make me work harder and eventually put me on the same level, if not higher with those professional quilters. Give credit where credit is due, and if you are like me, accept the challenge and be the best you can be.
    Not to open another can of worms, but computer guided quilting is really raising the bar. Can I ever be that good to compete against the quilting software.
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    I know that our local county fair has a category for professional machine quilted entries....so depending on the category she entered it it I would hesitate to call it cheating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nammie to 7 View Post
    So was my great grandmother cheating when she used a sewing machine to piece a log cabin quilt in the late 1800's?That quilt is now displayed on the back on my couch.

    No she wasn't cheating!! She was at the forefront of technology for her time!

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    IMHO If you are going to enter your quilt in a show or compitition then be sure you read the rules very closely. If you do not like the rules then do not enter your quilt! Also do not questions the rules and do not make claims of "cheating " if you do not know the rules of the compitition!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by justflyingin View Post
    I think that initially when I heard that some people entered shows with quilts that others quilted, I also thought like the OP...but then I realized that you are supposed to give credit to the one who actually quilted the quilt if it was a different person than the piecer. So, if that is the case, then both are given credit and that seems fair enough.

    The only reason it seems wrong to many is that if the judging is the "quilting" primarily (as opposed to the piecing of the top), then it seems like the wrong person is getting the ribbon. However, it appears like the judges have figured it all out and seem to cover all the bases, making sure everyone gets the credit they deserve.

    The quilting is not the only thing that's judged. Everything from how well the fabrics go together to construction to overall impact is judged. Judges have a whole list of things they go thru for each and every quilt. Each quilt is judged on its own merits then judged against the other top contenders in the same class and then against the top contenders for that section. Then all top section winners are judged against each other for the top ribbons. The judging process is fairly long.

    Our fair even has an antique category and you only have to own the quilt to enter it!

    To decide someone is cheating based on just wandering thru a quilt show or fair does a real disservice to the quilter, the judges and the show organizers.

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    I know some who have their quilts quilted by others, believe if they pay the quilter for their work it is their quilting. I do not agree with this, since the quilter spent time making their piece a quilt, and the maker only sewed the pieces together to make a top. I also do not agree with quilters name on quilts in a show. The person who owns the quilt and pays for the quilt to be finished, then is advertising for the quilter. Most quilters do not give a person a break on the price if they do give them the credit. I guess it is a complete circle. And will always be a question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soccertxi View Post
    Please don't use the word "cheat". Someone told me I was a CHEATER...loudly and often, because I'm a machine quilter and not a hand quilter. Its SUCH a strong word. I was so upset, I cried. Now I'm just angry that I let that man's words cheapen the nice work I do. Everyone has their own opinions I know, but this is QUILTING..not surgery or rocket science. There is a place for ALL that we do. By the way, next time I show off a quilt, and his JAW drops, he might hear that he will NEVER get one of my quilts. And I did not picket his cabinet shop with signs that said he was a cheater because he uses POWER TOOLS instead of hand tools. ....ok...sorry! Off my soap box now...I love it ALL..hand, machine, quilt for hire, do all your own... we need to back ourselves up, not knock ourselves down.
    AMEN soccertxi, I totally agree with you. Thingfs change, it is ok if someone wants to do things by hand or the old way but these are new times and most things are done the easier way. I hate it when some people are so critical and like to put down other people and what they do. Keep doing what you love and just give Him a piece of your mind the next time. I would let Hi8m know that He would never get one of your Quilts and I would also ask Him why He don't do all His work without power tools, it is the same!!! Have a wonderful Easter and keep Quilting the way you love to.
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    I've been working on a Yo Yo quilt for the last year and a half. I've made nearly 6000 Yo Yo's from one fabric line designs in pastels, I'm now sewing them to a plain cloth quilt. I felt a king sized Yo Yo quilt would be too much stress on the traditional Yo Yo coverlet individual Yo Yo's. (When I've observed older Yo Yo quilts they typically have come apart where the Yo Yo's are joined so in my estimation a large Yo Yo coverlet sew traditionally would be doomed in short order.

    When discussing that I would like to enter this Yo Yo Quilt in the County and or State fair (if it turns out as well as my minds eye thinks it will :0)

    I was told last week during quilt week when talking to some 'veterans' who've entered the fairs here.... that the judging is so very strict, if not indeed arbitrary...okay I can follow rules...BUT when I was told that one of the members in our local guild who makes exquisite quilts btw, was disqualified because they found a/or a small amount pet hair on her quilt... really?????? I know this member have visited her very tidy home and by the way she has no pets..... The comment on her entry card was that if she didn't care enough to enter a quilt sans pet fur then it wasn't worthy of judging.

    I have two cats and I cannot guarantee that my quilt won't have a pet hair despite my efforts to enter a 'clean' enough quilt for that kind of scrutiny. Please understand I don't leave home looking like Sasquatch covered in pet hair but that story has certainly discouraged my thoughts of entering this quilt, which I think will be somewhat unique.

    So this quilt probably won't be entered into the County or State Fair....
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    I put the machine quilter's name and state and date on the label along with my own piecing and applique. Before I send it out.

    I have known a few people who enter shows without indicating the quilting or patchwork is done by someone else. They have to live with it, not me.

    Many many well known quilt book authors send their tops out to be quilted and very seldom is it mentioned in the book. Both hand and machine.

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    At our local show whoever makes the top gets the credit and the ribbon and the long armer isn't even mentioned usually. I've been to other shows where there were two ribbons, one for the piecer and one for the long armer. I will say that two years ago most of the quilts were quilted by someone other than the piecer but this year I saw quite a few quilts that were completely done by one person, several hand quilted. Maybe pride of workmanship is coming back rather than just quantity of quilts or more people are getting their own long arm setups.

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    I entered a hand embroideried ABC quilt I had made for my grandson. I machine quilted it and entered it in our little county fair where it won a 2nd place ribbon. I was proud of it and my grandson loved the fact that his quilt won. I was sharing the news with my neighbor and she made the statement that it was just a little ole county fair and didn't mean much in the quilt world! After I got over her rudeness I told her it meant a lot in my world...and Billy's!

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    It all depends on the rules for the specific event. Hopefully they were within the guidelines

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    Perhaps it was considered a " group " quilt, and/or you just don't know the specifics of what the entry form said. Let it go!

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    At the quilt shows in my area the name of the person who pieced it and the person who quilted it are are both on the label.
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    I have longarmed for someone who entered the county fair before, she made sure she was judged only on her piecing.

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    Like they say.....Every quilt tells a story. My labels ALWAYS tell the WHOLE story of who pieced it and who proudly quilted it.....me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by soccertxi View Post
    Please don't use the word "cheat". Someone told me I was a CHEATER...loudly and often, because I'm a machine quilter and not a hand quilter. Its SUCH a strong word. I was so upset, I cried. Now I'm just angry that I let that man's words cheapen the nice work I do. Everyone has their own opinions I know, but this is QUILTING..not surgery or rocket science. There is a place for ALL that we do. By the way, next time I show off a quilt, and his JAW drops, he might hear that he will NEVER get one of my quilts. And I did not picket his cabinet shop with signs that said he was a cheater because he uses POWER TOOLS instead of hand tools. ....ok...sorry! Off my soap box now...I love it ALL..hand, machine, quilt for hire, do all your own... we need to back ourselves up, not knock ourselves down.
    Great come-back about the power tools, and how true. Too bad you didn't actually say it to him but maybe next time! I love to go to Quilt Shows to admire all the amazing and beautiful work people have done, and have never really thought about if it was done by one or two people. But now I'll be looking at that too! I think as long as they have different catagories and specify how it was done, no problem. But people who don't have the resources to hire a quilter or prefer to do it all themselves, start to finish, should also be recognized for their beautiful work and effort. I agree with those who said it's all art in many different forms.
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    Hey--How about a computerized quilting machine that you set up press a button and sit back and watch the machine quilt?? I know of a Quilt Show that this one wins wins wins Blue ribbons just because the machine does it by itself--I really don't think that kind of computerized machine quilting should be entered into a quilt show to compete against those that do their own but the gal Always wins no matter what or who. I really don't think Professional Machine Quilting like that should be there in an amature show. It is really a biased show. If you are a LQ atleast you are doing the quilting.

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    When I submitted my quilt at the fair, I put quilt by me and quilted by the longarmer lady. I still got a red one and my friend got credit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TeresaS View Post
    I was speaking to someone who won grand prize at the county fair for her quilt. It was beautiful. But after talking to her she said she sent it out to be sandwiched quilted and binded. Is that not cheating? Or is that ok?
    I don't go to a lot of shows, but usually what I've seen is
    Pieced by Susie Smith
    Machine quilted (or hand quilted) by Janie Jones.

    As long as she didn't claim to have done all the work, I see no problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soccertxi View Post
    Please don't use the word "cheat". Someone told me I was a CHEATER...loudly and often, because I'm a machine quilter and not a hand quilter. Its SUCH a strong word. I was so upset, I cried. Now I'm just angry that I let that man's words cheapen the nice work I do. Everyone has their own opinions I know, but this is QUILTING..not surgery or rocket science. There is a place for ALL that we do. By the way, next time I show off a quilt, and his JAW drops, he might hear that he will NEVER get one of my quilts. And I did not picket his cabinet shop with signs that said he was a cheater because he uses POWER TOOLS instead of hand tools. ....ok...sorry! Off my soap box now...I love it ALL..hand, machine, quilt for hire, do all your own... we need to back ourselves up, not knock ourselves down.
    Sing it louder, Soccertaxi! One woman at our church has taken so much pleasure out to the last couple quilts we did because they are quilted by a LAQ. I've got one more for this year-----------then I am done. DONE! The "my mother would never........." woman can do as she pleases from then on.
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    Thanks so much for the clarification on entry of quilts. I am very interested in entering a quilt I am working on in the fair...but I fully intend on sending it out to a quilted. It is a large quilt and I do not have the room to do a king size on my machine. Thanks again for all the helpful information.

    Now about my use of the word cheating.....this has oviously hit a nerve with some people. I would like to apologize
    I did not mean any harm or hurt for this remark. I have learned a lesson with this post for sure. I have learned alot from this board and love to read it everyday, but I will truely think twice before posting a question again.

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    That is sad, the same type of thing happened to my friend's beautiful well made quilt judged last year at our fair, she has shown quilts for several years and has always place 1st or 2nd place. 1st time over the years had I even seen any craft (all sewing) items where this was done, yes notice it in all sewing classes where there were disqualification! Plus it wasn't only quilts at this fair where they disqualifed only in the quilting...I'm thinking it's was the judge/judges they hired. Hopefully this years fair they won't hire the same ones to judge. I think what got me the most about those disqualifaction was some of those entries are done by the 4-Hers they do their best and they own animals which they show at the fair!!!

    I would go ahead and enter you yo yo quilt, maybe they hired the same judge/judges that judge here...

    Quote Originally Posted by onaemtnest View Post
    I've been working on a Yo Yo quilt for the last year and a half. I've made nearly 6000 Yo Yo's from one fabric line designs in pastels, I'm now sewing them to a plain cloth quilt. I felt a king sized Yo Yo quilt would be too much stress on the traditional Yo Yo coverlet individual Yo Yo's. (When I've observed older Yo Yo quilts they typically have come apart where the Yo Yo's are joined so in my estimation a large Yo Yo coverlet sew traditionally would be doomed in short order.

    When discussing that I would like to enter this Yo Yo Quilt in the County and or State fair (if it turns out as well as my minds eye thinks it will :0)

    I was told last week during quilt week when talking to some 'veterans' who've entered the fairs here.... that the judging is so very strict, if not indeed arbitrary...okay I can follow rules...BUT when I was told that one of the members in our local guild who makes exquisite quilts btw, was disqualified because they found a/or a small amount pet hair on her quilt... really?????? I know this member have visited her very tidy home and by the way she has no pets..... The comment on her entry card was that if she didn't care enough to enter a quilt sans pet fur then it wasn't worthy of judging.

    I have two cats and I cannot guarantee that my quilt won't have a pet hair despite my efforts to enter a 'clean' enough quilt for that kind of scrutiny. Please understand I don't leave home looking like Sasquatch covered in pet hair but that story has certainly discouraged my thoughts of entering this quilt, which I think will be somewhat unique.

    So this quilt probably won't be entered into the County or State Fair....

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    In my county fair quilt contests there is a specific category for "professional" quilted. Just like there is hand quilted, machine quilted, etc. That was only added last year, as far as I know. Maybe because it's so much more common now.

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