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    I'm making a panel quilt 35" x 40 1/2", I'm going to do a border of flying geese with other borders around that, then more flying geese..........can you please help with what size flying geese border would be suitable.

    I have never done flying geese before I'm a bit bamboozled by sizes here!

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    Thankyou for your help! :D

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    Flying geese (traditionally) are basically rectangles where the width is twice the height measurement.

    Are those panel measurements above FINISHED or UNFINISHED?
    Are you shooting for some final quilt size?
    How big is the middle border going to be?

    I would probably start looking at FG that are 5" x 2.5" FINISHED.
    You could work that extra 1/2" in easily.

    Anything wider/larger might not look right for that size panel.
    Do you have a picture of it?

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    Here are some diagrams of what the proportions would be of different sized flying geese (for your center panel 35"x40").

    It's a starting point for you to decide on a look you prefer.

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    MTS, you are just the greatest with helping anyone who asks. Great info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTS
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    Flying geese (traditionally) are basically rectangles where the width is twice the height.

    Are those panel measurements above FINISHED or UNFINISHED?
    Are you shooting for some final quilt size?
    How big is the middle border going to be?

    I would probably start looking at FG that are 5" x 2.5" FINISHED.
    You could work that extra 1/2" in easily.

    Anything wider might look right for that sized panel.
    Do you have a picture of it?
    Thank for your answer so quickly MTS, I had cut a template that size earlier and thought it might have been too big, then cut one smaller and was totally confused, so I thought I would ask the experts......anyway here is a pic of the panel, not a good one though.
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    Well, clearly purple/lilac is out as a color choice. :mrgreen:

    Can you cut a piece of paper (even just plain white copy paper) that are the sizes I used and just place each on a side of the panel so we can see the relative proportions? Just color in the FG with a pencil - doesn't have to be pretty (or precision cut).

    And then post a picture again.

    It looks like a really, really big bear, so maybe he could handle the first example of Flying Geese - 2.5" x 5" (I had thought maybe it was too bulky).

    Whatever you decide on, I can easily put the measurements into EQ since it's already set up - that way you can get a count of how many FG you'll need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTS
    Here are some diagrams of what the proportions would be of different sized flying geese (for you center panel 35"x40").

    It's a starting point for you to decide on a look you prefer.
    Your blood is worth bottling MTG, this is fantastic and I will go with the first I think! :thumbup:

    Sorry it's taking me awhile to answer you, I no sooner put the thread up and my daughter came aknockin!! :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTS
    Well, clearly purple/lilac is out as a color choice. :mrgreen:

    Can you cut a piece of paper (even just plain white copy paper) that are the sizes I used and just place each on a side of the panel so we can see the relative proportions? Just color in the FG with a pencil - doesn't have to be pretty (or precision cut).

    And then post a picture again.

    It looks like a really, really big bear, so maybe he could handle the first example of Flying Geese - 2.5" x 5" (I had thought maybe it was too bulky).

    Whatever you decide on, I can easily put the measurements into EQ since it's already set up - that way you can get a count of how many FG you'll need.
    Well I think I have the colours sorted....maybe...now come to think of it I'll take a pic and get your opinion.
    Great if you can get a count for me on EQ. :D

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    Post a pic. I'll be back in half an hour. ;-)

    FYI - the middle border on the 1st diagram is 2.5" wide FINISHED.

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    I can't help you with the sizes...but like picking up the gold of the leaves in the color of the flying geese....good luck to you, will be a lovely quilt

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTS
    Post a pic. I'll be back in half an hour. ;-)

    FYI - the middle border on the 1st diagram is 2.5" wide FINISHED.
    This is the colours I thought I may use, don't know if I should use four or not, the cream is for the sky. The middle border is going to have 3 borders ( I think) maybe one 2 1/2, one 2 1/2, and one 1". Then another row of flying geese

    You can see I only have a picture in my eye at this point. I made a quilt for my baby GS, and his Dad (son inlaw) loved it and said "make me one". So if I can get it done in time for Xmas with all the other things I have on my plate, that's what his xmas present will be, otherwise it will go as a birthday present in January!
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    Are those about 2.5" high?

    The reason I mentioned the center border size is because you need to keep it on the same grid if you want the FG's in both borders to be the same size.

    So, you could do 2" - 1" - 2" (all sizes FINISHED). That would add a total 5" - 2 FG's. If you make it 6", then the 2.5" won't work evenly on the outside border.

    Not that you asked, but if it were me, I'd paper piece them in chunks - that way you don't have to worry about coming up short or long when you go to attach it.

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    Again, it's just for proportion - I don't know if you're doing it with all different fabrics, or just different sky or geese on the different borders. I see the cream, but is that just the inner?

    FG are 2.5" x 5" FINISHED
    Inner border - top/bottom 14 FG each, sides 16 FG each
    Striped border - 2" - 1" - 2" FINISHED sizes
    Outer border - top/bottom 22 FG each, sides 24 FG each

    Total 152 Flying Geese.
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    MTS is great with her info. Just be VERY accurate with attaching the geese. I have done something similar using scrappy patriotic colors. I like using Eleanor Burns method of using two squares that produce 4 flying geese. It allows you to make changes if you are slightly off. Then you know that all your geese are perfect before starting your border. Keep them in groups so that you can keep check your aaccuracy. That is what I learn from doing geese in a border. I think your fabric choices are stunning... GOOD LUCK !! :)

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    I made flying geese that were a tad too big for my quilt, so i added an inner border to make the measurements of the geese fit perfectly. you may end up doing that if necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MTS
    Are those about 2.5" high?

    The reason I mentioned the center border size is because you need to keep it on the same grid if you want the FG's in both borders to be the same size.

    So, you could do 2" - 1" - 2" (all sizes FINISHED). That would add a total 5" - 2 FG's. If you make it 6", then the 2.5" won't work evenly on the outside border.

    Not that you asked, but if it were me, I'd paper piece them in chunks - that way you don't have to worry about coming up short or long when you go to attach it.

    One sec for a new diagram:

    Again, it's just for proportion - I don't know if you're doing it with all different fabrics, or just different sky or geese on the different borders. I see the cream, but is that just the inner?

    FG are 2.5" x 5" FINISHED
    Inner border - top/bottom 14 FG each, sides 16 FG each
    Striped border - 2" - 1" - 2" FINISHED sizes
    Outer border - top/bottom 22 FG each, sides 24 FG each

    Total 152 Flying Geese.
    No not 2 1/2" high, just the colours placed next to panel to give you the idea of my choices.

    I'm going to do the geese different colours, and I thought the cream for the sky, it's a little paler than I would have liked, but so hard to judge and choose colours when I'm buying on-line.

    Thank you for your help MTS, your input has made it so much easier for me. :thumbup: :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiffie2413
    I can't help you with the sizes...but like picking up the gold of the leaves in the color of the flying geese....good luck to you, will be a lovely quilt
    Thankyou! :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManiacQuilter2
    MTS is great with her info. Just be VERY accurate with attaching the geese. I have done something similar using scrappy patriotic colors. I like using Eleanor Burns method of using two squares that produce 4 flying geese. It allows you to make changes if you are slightly off. Then you know that all your geese are perfect before starting your border. Keep them in groups so that you can keep check your aaccuracy. That is what I learn from doing geese in a border. I think your fabric choices are stunning... GOOD LUCK !! :)
    Yes she is great with her info, I have read many of her posts helping people with there quilting problems, and I'm sure there very appreciative as I am. :D
    Thank you for your help as well!

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