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    Machine Embroidery info needed

    I was given a Viking Designer 1 emb.machine to use but don't have manual for it so just been using the floppy discs that were with it to do some designs. I really like making quilting blocks with the designs...can be very pretty. Anyway, I would like to have more designs but don't know how to go about downloading them onto a disc. I have a few designs on my computer and see that there are sites that even have free designs that would like to try. Do I need a certain program to get these designs onto a disc or know some magic of sorts I have heard of a dongle to work with but really have no idea what that is. Information would be so very helpful and really treasure all the help I could get. I am just a newbie to the embroidery world. Thanks for any help i can get. Mary M
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    I watch ebay like a hawk for parts for my Iris that I bought second hand. I'm sure that I've seen these available there.

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    I have a Janome 10000 and love embroidery but can't advise you because Janome comes with it's own customiser program. Perhaps you could try the website if you don't have a LQS near you. I hope you will receive help from the ladies here.
    BTW when you get it worked out you are in for a fun time.

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    you can pick up a separate disc drive (i'm not sure if that's what it's called- but if you go to a store like office max and tell them what you need they know what it is) i have one (and a designer one) it is a square-- with a usb cord that plugs into the computer- floppy's go into it & you load the designs onto the floppy-to use with your machine- even if you have a design program & a dongle- you still need to get the designs to a floppy- thats where the exterior drive comes in- just ask at the store of a devise to copy floppy's from the computer---or someone who knows all the correct computer lingo will chime in here & tell you what it's really called- i bought mine 8 years ago & just don't remember-
    i just know i plug it into the computer- stick in a blank floppy- save designs to it- stick the floppy into the designer one & embroider the designs.
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    You would need a program and disk reader to write to disks, if really outdated might be hard to find parts or compatible media. Maybe some viking people here can help you out. Most machines now dont even use floppies
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    Quote Originally Posted by ckcowl View Post
    you can pick up a separate disc drive (i'm not sure if that's what it's called- but if you go to a store like office max and tell them what you need they know what it is) i have one (and a designer one) it is a square-- with a usb cord that plugs into the computer- floppy's go into it & you load the designs onto the floppy-to use with your machine- even if you have a design program & a dongle- you still need to get the designs to a floppy- thats where the exterior drive comes in- just ask at the store of a devise to copy floppy's from the computer---or someone who knows all the correct computer lingo will chime in here & tell you what it's really called- i bought mine 8 years ago & just don't remember-
    i just know i plug it into the computer- stick in a blank floppy- save designs to it- stick the floppy into the designer one & embroider the designs.

    Thank you. I didn't explain fully my ordeal, obviously. I did buy the external floppy disc reader but it is the process of getting the designs from the computer or from sites onto the floppies that I don't understand. Does this process take a certain program or a dongle ? Mary M
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    You need a software program............I'm using 4D embroidery w my Designer I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ckcowl View Post
    you can pick up a separate disc drive (i'm not sure if that's what it's called- but if you go to a store like office max and tell them what you need they know what it is) i have one (and a designer one) it is a square-- with a usb cord that plugs into the computer- floppy's go into it & you load the designs onto the floppy-to use with your machine- even if you have a design program & a dongle- you still need to get the designs to a floppy- thats where the exterior drive comes in- just ask at the store of a devise to copy floppy's from the computer---or someone who knows all the correct computer lingo will chime in here & tell you what it's really called- i bought mine 8 years ago & just don't remember-
    i just know i plug it into the computer- stick in a blank floppy- save designs to it- stick the floppy into the designer one & embroider the designs.
    This is only part of the answer. You do need an external floppy drive if your PC doesn't have one built in, but the Viking Designer I uses floppy disks with a proprietary format, so you can't just copy a file to a floppy and have it work.
    The machine originally came with a CD that had '3D Disk Manager' on it. This let you create floppys and load them up with bunches of designs. If you can find an original Designer I CD, this would be your best bet.
    Plan B would be to get a copy of "3D Organizer" or "4D Organizer" this organizes the designs on your pc, which is really nice, and will move ONE design to a floppy.
    http://www.husqvarnavikingsoftware.c...dorganizer.htm
    Your Viking Dealer may have this stand alone program. It's bundled with the whole 3D/4D software which is hundreds of dollars.

    It was also included on the CD that came with the Viking SE machine. They may be able to order a replacement SE CD.
    Plan C is buy Viking design packs that came with the floppy. You can still find them on eBay, for instance:
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/husqvarna-vi...item19d7bb15a4

    Make sure that the floppy disk comes with the designs, not just the CD.

    They used to offer a D1 conversion that would add a USB port.

    This is the only downside of the original Designer I.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Threads 77 View Post
    Thank you. I didn't explain fully my ordeal, obviously. I did buy the external floppy disc reader but it is the process of getting the designs from the computer or from sites onto the floppies that I don't understand. Does this process take a certain program or a dongle ? Mary M
    CKcrowl was good in explaining this. You first save the designs to your computer or straight to the floppies. I'd say save them to the pc first with orginal name and in a folder with the company's name so that if you ever need to download them again you know where you got them from and their orginal name. When the popup message comes up with what you want to do save or open do a save as and then it'll allow you to pick the path where the folder is and save it in that folder. The external drive will show up under My Computer as an external drive and you can click on the file, right click and do either a send to and pick the external drive or a save as again and then chose a name that identifies the design, like dog, Christmas, etc and it should go to your disk.
    Question, do you have either 3D or 4D organizer that normally comes with Vikings, its up to 5D now, that's what I have. The organizer is a great tool and you can store and view your designs in it. The only time a dongle is required is when you upgrade to a higher version. Mine came with 5D but I bought 5D Pro so I need a dongle to show what parts of it I have access to. If you need more info on this let me know. You can also get infor on the 4D organizer at mrpatience.com.
    For the manual; go to Vikings website and if you don't see a place to download the manual at the bottom of the page there is a link for support for hardware and software. Email them both and let them know that you need a manual for your machine. Plus if you look on the links under designs you can see where each month you can download a free design and project. They also have some tutorials so it's worth checking out Vikings site.
    Also for your machine there is a site that has infor on your machine. I also have the Viking #1 and I ordered the CD for it and got lots of good info. It doesn't appear that it's updated anymore (I think to deaths in the family) but it does have your machine and you can email them to see if the CD's are still available. The link is sewmuch4retirement.com.

    I hope at least some of this helps. Yes, there are tons of free designs out there. I have some really good sites that offer them. Good luck and let me know if I can help in anyother way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaperPrincess View Post
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    They used to offer a D1 conversion that would add a USB port.

    This is the only downside of the original Designer I.
    Excellent advice from PaperPrincess - the only other thing that I would add is what ever you do - DO NOT EVER let anyone do the conversion to USB. The way they did the conversion was to put all the "control software" for the interface on the actual USB stick, which made it almost unusable (it did not change the format needed and you still needed the software). When I worked for VH, our clients who did the conversion wished they had not done it.

    Another thing to be careful about is that a lot of that some of the older software might not run on the newer operating systems. Check before you purchase. Ask your local dealer - they might even have an affordable solution for you.

    Here is a new 3d organizer on ebay (just an fyi)

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/HUSQVARNA-VI...item2326ab8518

    Or - you could just find a friend who has 3D or 4D who could do it for you. We, at the shop I used to work at, did it for our customers gratis who purchased designs from us. I just looked at my Pfaff 4D - and in the configuration I can send a Viking D1 format - so Pfaff 3D Organizer might work as well.
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    Just a couple of notes.
    A good established Viking dealer will be able to upgrade your D-1 machine to USB. Warning, it's pricey. My two machines still use the floppys and work just fine.
    You will need to obtain some sort of software to write the designs to floppys in the VIP, VP3. or HUS machine language. There are several software versions available that will work. Most versions will translate to the language you need. Also when buying designs online (or freebies) you specify the machine language you need.
    My advice: fine a good Viking dealer and discuss the subject with them. I realize they wil ltry to get you to trade up to the newest machine. You don't need to do that. My dealer realizes that I am not made of money. They already have several thousand dollars of my money for a (used) machine, 3D Pro software, and lots of design packs. I make a point of stopping in frequently to chat, show'n'tell my latest project, and buy at least a yard of fabric. They realize am retired and SS is not a fortune. But I am still a customer.
    We all need to realize that face to face is sometimes necessary to comunicate. Several digitizers also do traveling workshops at local dealers. Anita Goodesign, John Deere, and Walter Floriani are all good, and friendly. $35.00 is reasonable for a 6-8 hr program. Go for it!

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    You gals are wonderful!!! I will print off al the info and start looking for what you suggest. I hope I get this figured out so I can have more designs to play with. Mary M
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    I have 2 older Brother machines that use floppies OR design cards. I have the PE Design software, but it is much easier to just put my designs on a floppy and go to the machine. If you want to discuss how I do it, I can walk you thru the steps from downloading the design from the internet site to actually transferring to the floppy. Been doing it for 8 yrs at least. The only items needed are a floppy (3.5" floppy) drive, either already installed in your computer or an external. I have 2 from ebay that cost about $12 ea. (got a back-up!) You need a computer with USB port. You need a free program to re-format your designs in case you don't download the correct format for your machine. The rest is eezy peezy. Be happy to list the steps for you. Just pm me.

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    I have a D-1 machine I love, both for stitching and the embroidery. When I purchased a new computer I found the Dongle was not compatable with the new computer. To up grade the local Viking dealer quoted $500. and the machine would be worth $500. I have not checked into it since as I have a newer Phaff machine. I would like to know though what you find out. The software I was using was the Viking Customizing and also Embird the format is HUS if I remember correctly. I still have and use the machine for regular sewing and design stitches.

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    One other clarification. It's not that conversion software can't create a D1 file, the sticking point is that the floppy is reformatted in a specific way that the D1 will read. I am a retired Sr. Software Engineer with 35 years experience. I futzed around with this trying to create the proprietary file structure and finally gave up. YOu need the software that will format the floppy and move the file, not just translate the file for you to copy.
    Also, as someone else mentioned, 3D and 4D will only run on windows 95 or lower. I just kept an older machine for this purpose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by romanojg View Post
    CKcrowl was good in explaining this. You first save the designs to your computer or straight to the floppies. I'd say save them to the pc first with orginal name and in a folder with the company's name so that if you ever need to download them again you know where you got them from and their orginal name. When the popup message comes up with what you want to do save or open do a save as and then it'll allow you to pick the path where the folder is and save it in that folder. The external drive will show up under My Computer as an external drive


    and you can click on the file, right click and do either a send to and pick the external drive or a save as again and then chose a name that identifies the design, like dog, Christmas, etc and it should go to your disk.
    Question, do you have either 3D or 4D organizer that normally comes with Vikings, its up to 5D now, that's what I have. The organizer is a great tool and you can store and view your designs in it. The only time a dongle is required is when you upgrade to a higher version. Mine came with 5D but I bought 5D Pro so I need a dongle to show what parts of it I have access to. If you need more info on this let me know. You can also get infor on the 4D organizer at mrpatience.com.
    For the manual; go to Vikings website and if you don't see a place to download the manual at the bottom of the page there is a link for support for hardware and software. Email them both and let them know that you need a manual for your machine. Plus if you look on the links under designs you can see where each month you can download a free design and project. They also have some tutorials so it's worth checking out Vikings site.
    Also for your machine there is a site that has infor on your machine. I also have the Viking #1 and I ordered the CD for it and got lots of good info. It doesn't appear that it's updated anymore (I think to deaths in the family) but it does have your machine and you can email them to see if the CD's are still available. The link is sewmuch4retirement.com.

    I hope at least some of this helps. Yes, there are tons of free designs out there. I have some really good sites that offer them. Good luck and let me know if I can help in anyother way.
    Thank you for your offer of more help. I will get my thoughts together ad see what I need to know. I know I still need help. I don't have the 3d or 4d organizer. What I have is designs on my computer in the "SewI conz" program. This is so I can see them and the size etc. I do have the external floppy drive....that is about it. With having the newer computer I may not be able to use the organizer 3 d. With all the new tecnology it isn't made to last only for so long and then we have to buy something new....so it seems. Mary M
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    If that machine will take VIP and VIP3 there are other boxes that write that format available. Amazing designs will write, Buzz Edit has one, Embird is another, and there are new softwares out. Allbrands has a very good sewing forum. There are also Yahoo groups for that machine.

    I have the Pfaff 2170. got disgusted with Pfaff/Viking software and switched to Babylock's Designers Gallery. My Pfaff uses cards, but Studio lets me save to the computer.

    Newer software might deal with Windows 7 and 8. Some of the older programs had trouble with Vista. However, a Vista or XP Laptop is not expensive right now. There is also software for a Mac now.

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    [QUOTE=PaperPrincess;5752761]One other clarification. It's not that conversion software can't create a D1 file, the sticking point is that the floppy is reformatted in a specific way that the D1 will read. I am a retired Sr. Software Engineer with 35 years experience. I futzed around with this trying to create the proprietary file structure and finally gave up. YOu need the software that will format the floppy and move the file, not just translate the file for you to copy.
    Also, as someone else mentioned, 3D and 4D will only run on windows 95 or lower. I just kept an older machine for this purpose.[/QUOTE
    This I do not understand, unless the emb machine requires some special kind of formatting. I have WinXP and I format and reformat the 3.5 disks on my computer. Then I transfer my designs from MY DOCUMENTS (which happens to be where I keep them all--either singularly or in folders. I have embrilliance that allows seeing the images. My .pes designs just hop on board the floppy and stitch right out in the machine. Is this Viking some special sort of machine that requires software? It is really confusing me - I need to stufy up on this since I've only owned Brothers and Berninas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaperPrincess View Post
    One other clarification. It's not that conversion software can't create a D1 file, the sticking point is that the floppy is reformatted in a specific way that the D1 will read. I am a retired Sr. Software Engineer with 35 years experience. I futzed around with this trying to create the proprietary file structure and finally gave up. YOu need the software that will format the floppy and move the file, not just translate the file for you to copy.
    PaperPrincess is correct here again - the actual file structure of the floppy is a proprietary structure and can not be created by ANY other programs (except for Pfaff - as Pfaff and VH are one in the same the Pfaff 3D abd 4D programs will create all the VH file formats including the D1).

    Quote Originally Posted by PaperPrincess View Post
    .... Also, as someone else mentioned, 3D and 4D will only run on windows 95 or lower. I just kept an older machine for this purpose.
    However --- 4D WILL run on Windows 7 without any problems (at least on mine - lol). My laptop is Win 7 and my 4D runs perfectly on it. I do know that the 3D precursor (I think it is the one that Ioftheneedle commented on - Viking Customizing VIP ) will only run on much older Operating Systems. I think that the 3D is written to perform on XP machines - but have seen on some blogs that folks have gotten it to work on Win 7.

    I saw that 4D organizer can be purchased from both the Pfaff and Viking dealers as a stand alone module - I did see it advertised with a price on one site for around $110 new.

    Again - good advice from several - call or go into a VH dealer and ask questions about your D1, Software requirements and transferring designs. You can also ask the same software questions to a Pfaff dealer (trust me they are the exact same - identical - programs supported by the exact same tech folks).

    Good luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by eparys View Post
    PaperPrincess is correct here again - the actual file structure of the floppy is a proprietary structure and can not be created by ANY other programs (except for Pfaff - as Pfaff and VH are one in the same the Pfaff 3D abd 4D programs will create all the VH file formats including the D1).



    However --- 4D WILL run on Windows 7 without any problems (at least on mine - lol). My laptop is Win 7 and my 4D runs perfectly on it. I do know that the 3D precursor (I think it is the one that Ioftheneedle commented on - Viking Customizing VIP ) will only run on much older Operating Systems. I think that the 3D is written to perform on XP machines - but have seen on some blogs that folks have gotten it to work on Win 7.

    I saw that 4D organizer can be purchased from both the Pfaff and Viking dealers as a stand alone module - I did see it advertised with a price on one site for around $110 new.

    Again - good advice from several - call or go into a VH dealer and ask questions about your D1, Software requirements and transferring designs. You can also ask the same software questions to a Pfaff dealer (trust me they are the exact same - identical - programs supported by the exact same tech folks).

    Good luck
    This is correct. I now have 5D but started out with 4D on Windows 7 starter and Windows 7 full install. I had no problem with it at all. I got my old laptop out with XP on it due to some older software that didn't run on Win7 and XP with service pak is more reliable than Vista for the software. Check on Craigslist, etc and you should be able to pick up a XP pc or laptop pretty cheaply. There have been some who have gotten software to work on Win 7 but it takes some work. If you don't have a dealer close to you to ask for help email the techs at Viking for software or hardware questions. They are good at responding and helping out. Ask me how I know. A good dealer would be your best asset though.
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    3D and 4D run on XP. I had them both on an XP box. Dealers had trouble getting 4D to run on Vista.

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    Ok ... after I wrote the previous post I continued to roam the net. This is what I have found ...

    SHOCKER - I was previously incorrect (opps - !!) Imagine that - lol !!

    There is at least one other option - Embird - from what I see .... and here are the directions

    http://www.embird.net/sw/embird/tuto...s1/vikdes1.htm

    I know nothing personally about this program - but many folks really like it - there is also a demo version that you can download for 30 days. Do not have a clue as to its cost or if the demo is fully functioning but it might be worth the look see.

    and ... there is another thread right here about Embird and writing D1 disks

    http://www.quiltingboard.com/main-f1...e-t155225.html

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    You are right, eparys. I totally forgot about Embird. Should be a much less expensive alternative. I recently gave my D1 to my niece and was just going to create the floppies for her, now I can tell her to get Embird. Also, going back thru the posts and thinking back, I'm pretty sure that I couldn't get 4D to work with Vista, don't think I ever tried it with Windows 7. I had an older PC so I just loaded 4D on and just use that. It's a portable so it's convenient.
    Great post lots of info.


    Quote Originally Posted by eparys View Post
    Ok ... after I wrote the previous post I continued to roam the net. This is what I have found ...

    SHOCKER - I was previously incorrect (opps - !!) Imagine that - lol !!

    There is at least one other option - Embird - from what I see .... and here are the directions

    http://www.embird.net/sw/embird/tuto...s1/vikdes1.htm

    I know nothing personally about this program - but many folks really like it - there is also a demo version that you can download for 30 days. Do not have a clue as to its cost or if the demo is fully functioning but it might be worth the look see.

    and ... there is another thread right here about Embird and writing D1 disks

    http://www.quiltingboard.com/main-f1...e-t155225.html

    Hope this helps!!
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    All of you have been so very helpful with information. From what has been said, it sunds like Vista may not be compatible with some of the software needed to make the floppys. I hate to put out money for software or for the Embird program if it isn't going to work with Vista....I may be out of luck. I will keep looking and hoping that something will work. Mary M
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    embroidery machine info PLEASE

    I have did embroidery for about 8 yrs or so on and off. I started with a small machine and later moved to a slightly bigger machine brother pe770 with USB port. It tore up last week and now I'm looking for another one. I'm looking at a used Viking designer se. I'm need feed back. I've never owned a Viking and am little confused. I'm open to suggestions if anyone knows of another machine about $2000 used

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