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Thread: Need full size flag pattern for Hospice

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    I was asked by a friend who works at our local Hospice center, if I could make a flag quilt that would cover a deceased veteran in transport from their home to the funeral home.

    They can't use a regular flag which is the approximate size I would need. The flag blanket would be kept by hospice to use as needed. Any suggestions? It really needs to be simple as they need 10 or so of these coverings. I'm thinking that I could just piece a top and back it with fabric and no batting. Maybe tack or tie.

    Thanks in advance for your suggestions.

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    Does it have to be a flag? There is fabric out there for each branch of service (Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines). There is even fabric that has a large emblem of the branch (like the Marine Eagle, Globe and Anchor). You could make one quilt for each branch of service by using the emblem for the center panel and adding borders around the emblem.

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    Can you use the 4x6 flag itself as a pattern? the star portion needs to be a certain % of the flag(I want to say like 58% star/blue then rest strips). I have made several flag blankets but they were out of a flag panel. I have made the flag using red/white blue fabric just made sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quiltforme
    Can you use the 4x6 flag itself as a pattern? the star portion needs to be a certain % of the flag(I want to say like 58% star/blue then rest strips). I have made several flag blankets but they were out of a flag panel. I have made the flag using red/white blue fabric just made sure
    This is what I would do also. For the stars, you could use fusible web to attach them, then top stitch near the edge of the fabric to make sure it stays in place.

    50 x 10 stars.. = 500..Thats a lot of stars..

    Does it need to really be a flag? Could you use blue fabric with white stars printed on it? Not the full size stars, but you would get the effect..

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    http://www.compuquilt.com/blockimg/2...ks/US_Flag.htm

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=300471127614

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=170449248754

    A couple of these are small, but wouldn't really be any big deal to use the concept and make the size you need.
    One is the right size.

    I hesitate to say anything because sometimes I put my foot in my mouth, but I think I would discuss a concept like this with the veteran's advocate for your area. It really isn't any of my business, but my husband was a service connected disabled American Vet and I would want to know what they think about making a copy of a US flag in a project like this.

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    Thanks for your suggestions, I know they can't use the real American Flag. They are in the beginning of setting up this service and don't want to show any disrespect, only honoring the veteran. I like the idea of the different branches to use in the covering but don't know how feasible that would be, then we would have to have many more tops done.

    The simple one on Ebay may be the way to go. Maybe with each branch in the center of the star. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=300471127614

    Lots to think about, keep the great ideas coming.

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    It is a wonderful thing for you to do, I just wasn't sure of what was proper and respectful. I tried to call a friend of mine who helped us a lot when my husband was alive, but her office is closed today.

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    My husband died while in active service and I don't understand why Hospice would think an actual flag would be disrespectful. I would suggest you have your local Hospice administrator contact the national Hospice organization, the Veterans Affairs office as was earlier suggested, and possibly the funeral home. Surely someone has previously done whatever it is they are planning and these decisions should not be left in your hands. Hospice should tell you specifically what it is they want. There's a lot of ways to go wrong on something like this, so it would probably be best to be sure you are right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sadiemae
    http://www.compuquilt.com/blockimg/2...ks/US_Flag.htm

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=300471127614

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=170449248754

    A couple of these are small, but wouldn't really be any big deal to use the concept and make the size you need.
    One is the right size.

    I hesitate to say anything because sometimes I put my foot in my mouth, but I think I would discuss a concept like this with the veteran's advocate for your area. It really isn't any of my business, but my husband was a service connected disabled American Vet and I would want to know what they think about making a copy of a US flag in a project like this.
    I think you have a point, I am ex forces not American I know but if there is a reason they cannot use the real flag maybe the quilt one wouldn't be okay either, please contact an forces or ex forces society. Perhaps you know the reason already from the hospice and I am talking out of turn if so I am sorry no offence is meant. My concern is for you.

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    I think it is awesome that you are trying to help hospice like this (((HUGS)))

    A thought came to my mind about this though, they may want to check with the health dept before you start this project. They may object over this quilt being used in this manner for health reasons. Sorry, don't mean to rain on your project, but I would rather it be mentioned now, than after you have finished it.

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    It sounds like a wonderful thing to do but I wouldn't know where to start.

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    There is a wonderful pattern I think by Minnick and (Simpson??) that makes a non-flag but similar quilt. The choice of fabric print, also Minnick's, makes the quilt!

    Jan in VA

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    Oh that's a great idea.. I like that pattern as well.

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    A couple of things here,
    1. why can't they use a flag as long as proper respect is shown,and 2. you may want to check about a quilt resembling a flag,many Vets see it as disrespect to the American Flag to use the flag pattern in things such as atricles of clothing etc,I'm sure Red White and Blue would be fine but maybe just not in a American flag design.
    Please do not take offence,I think it is Very propper and respectful what you are doing,and I would certianly proceed. I just don't want you to go to all of this work and not be able to use them.
    Let us know what you find out,and I have some patriotic fabric I will be willing to donate if you need some.
    Thanks,
    Rae Penn

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    I am a service veteran, and I do not understand why if he is a veteran it cannot be a real flag.
    I know I can have a flag on my casket when I die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tooMuchFabric
    I am a service veteran, and I do not understand why if he is a veteran it cannot be a real flag.
    I know I can have a flag on my casket when I die.
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    You are right that there will be a flag on the casket if your family contacts Veteran's Affairs. You can also receive the flag even if you choose cremation vs. burial. Your family will also receive the Thank You for Your service letter from the government. My husband will be gone 2 years in December, and I have received 4 of these letters, some from President Bush and also from obama.
    The question is whether it is appropriate for hospice to have flags they place over the veteran for the trip from their home to the funeral home. They can't use the same flag for both, and Hospice may have its' own policies. I don't have the answer to this question, but I hope to find out information and the reasons behind it in the morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooMuchFabric
    I am a service veteran, and I do not understand why if he is a veteran it cannot be a real flag.
    I know I can have a flag on my casket when I die.
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    I feel the same as you, also I have been told it is illegal over here to make such a flag, wouldn't that apply in America too.

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    I got up early to check on DGS and change his "puh-wups" (pullups) (diaper), and had this image of the Flag Police arresting a coffin for illegal flag draping because someone did not apply to a proper agency.
    What's the penalty, do you think.

    I went to this site of the VA:
    http://www.cem.va.gov/bbene/bflags.asp
    Here is a paragraph:

    "The law allows us to issue one flag for a Veteran's funeral. We cannot replace it if it is lost, destroyed, or stolen. However, some Veterans' organizations or other community groups may be able to help you get another flag."

    This tells me the flag does not have to come from the VA.

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    I too am wondering why they can't/won't get a flag for each veterans passing? This is a customary procedure. Are they trying to save time by not requesting one? Not sure how long it takes to receive one....once requested and then the living family member can keep the flag as a memory. It is just too curious as to why they are approaching this the way they are. Having been to many veterans funerals with the flag drapped coffin I can't imagine anything but the real thing to honor the service of that person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelwatcher
    I was asked by a friend who works at our local Hospice center, if I could make a flag quilt that would cover a deceased veteran in transport from their home to the funeral home.
    The drape they are looking for is not for the funeral or casket, it is only for transport from the place of death to the funeral home. Amma's suggestion about the health department is a very good one for that reason, especially if Hospice plans to keep and reuse these drapes. In my experience, it is the funeral home that provides transport, not Hospice, but that may be a local decision?

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    The whole thing about what a Flag can and cannot be done unto, and what it can and cannot be used for, is tied to the concept of "desecration," and the "official rules" about that include that the "intent to desecrate" has to be provable.

    Draping the casket of a soldier, or making a quilt to honor that person, or to use to help get that person to a reverenced burial, is no desecration nor intent of desecration.

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    Good morning!! You've all presented lots to think about. I was approached just this past Saturday about the possibility of doing this project for our local Hospice organization. But we'll definitely have some research to do now. Thank you all for your comments and suggestions. I'll be contacting the woman from Hospice to get more information today and I'll let you know what happens.

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    Angelwatcher,

    I am sorry this has brought up such strong feelings from several people, that was not my intention.

    Okay, I discussed this issue with VA personel that work daily with Veterans who are elderly and dieing where I live in Idaho.

    This issue has absolutely nothing to do with desecration of the flag etc... If my previous posts sounded like that was my concern I apologize. I had just never heard of anything like this, so I questioned it.

    There is nothing wrong with what they are asking you to do, however I don't quite understand why they are doing this. They CAN use a real American Flag unless it is just against their own policies, but an American flag this size would be very very expensive because VA will not provide it as far as I know. The funeral home they go to will contact VA to obtain the flag for the funeral as long as they know the person is a veteran. They contactd VA for me and made all of the arrangements.

    I don't know want to get morbid, but the vet who has died will already by placed in a bag for transport. Arrangements have normally been premade as who will transport and where. I don't quite understand why they want something else to cover it.

    After speaking to VA, I found a new program where I live that I will get involved with. They don't do anything for the veteran once he/she has passed for transport, however they give donated quilts to veterans who are in hospice that need one. For example chemo patients who are cold all of the time. These are given to the vets and upon their passing the family keeps them. I really like this program, I am going to finish a couple and take them to town for ill vets because at the present time they are out of quilts.

    The VA office I spoke with has never heard of this kind of program, and they would prefer to give quilts to patients who are still living and can enjoy them.

    If you have any questions I can answer about what I found, please PM me.

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    Our guild did some for the local hospice here. It's a great thing that the families really appreciate.

    Our quilts are only used when they are covering the residents as they are taken out of the hospice so there isn't any issues with the health unit but they do need to be able to wash them if anything happens to get on them during transportation but that may be the reason that it can't be a real flag.

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