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    I need some serious help. I am having trouble with the mega quilter. The thread keeps breaking and sometimes the needle breaks. I can't keep the tension the same even on the same quilt. I have read previous post and changed thread to Star, it broke worse, Essential, it shredded, Coats and Clark, I won't even go there. It was the worse. I changed needles to top stitch needle and ballpoint needle and that did not help at all. I put tension between 4 and 5 and tension was worse and could not sew 20 stitches without thread breaking. I have used cotton batting and poly-fill batting and that does not make a difference. I watch which side of the batting goes upwards and no difference. The thread keeps breaking. I have had this machine about a year and it has been in the shop and they say there is nothing wrong with the machine. I do have cruise control on this machine and all the connections are connecting and I think they are correct. Any suggestions?

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    could not be threaded correctly, have someone at dealer show u.

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    What size needle are you using? Change to manual and give it a try. Can you adjust the bobbin tension? Make sure your needle is in right. Try dif tensions before you start a quilt. On my machine the numbers mean nothing as for tension--do 1/4 turn to loosen and go as much as a full turn if you have to. I would say top tension is too tight. Usually to the left loosens it. Also is your bobbin thread thinner than the top maybe? I don't have that machine but most are similar--I have a Tin LIzzie 18LS.

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    I forgot to mention that a friend was having the same prob with her machine--either Pfaff or Janome--and she took of the stitch regulator and she said no more breaking thread.

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    Ya I forgot to mention that one too.

    Quote Originally Posted by topper1
    could not be threaded correctly, have someone at dealer show u.

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    Quote Originally Posted by franie
    What size needle are you using? Change to manual and give it a try. Can you adjust the bobbin tension? Make sure your needle is in right. Try dif tensions before you start a quilt. On my machine the numbers mean nothing as for tension--do 1/4 turn to loosen and go as much as a full turn if you have to. I would say top tension is too tight. Usually to the left loosens it. Also is your bobbin thread thinner than the top maybe? I don't have that machine but most are similar--I have a Tin LIzzie 18LS.
    When I loosen the tension enough that the thread will not break, then I have loose thread on the underside of the quilt and the stitches are too loose to hold. I do have to use the same thread in the bobbin that I use on top. I just put in a new quilting needle this morning with a very large eye hoping that the thread would not break or shred but it still did. The needle was Fons & Porter Quilter's Decorative Thread Needles Size l4/90.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doglover
    Quote Originally Posted by franie
    What size needle are you using? Change to manual and give it a try. Can you adjust the bobbin tension? Make sure your needle is in right. Try dif tensions before you start a quilt. On my machine the numbers mean nothing as for tension--do 1/4 turn to loosen and go as much as a full turn if you have to. I would say top tension is too tight. Usually to the left loosens it. Also is your bobbin thread thinner than the top maybe? I don't have that machine but most are similar--I have a Tin LIzzie 18LS.
    When I loosen the tension enough that the thread will not break, then I have loose thread on the underside of the quilt and the stitches are too loose to hold. I do have to use the same thread in the bobbin that I use on top. I just put in a new quilting needle this morning with a very large eye hoping that the thread would not break or shred but it still did. The needle was Fons & Porter Quilter's Decorative Thread Needles Size l4/90.
    I test the bobbin tension by holding the thread while it is in the bobbin and shake it a little, if the bobbin only goes down a little, the tension is okay. Is this correct?

    I had the manual in front of me today and loaded the needle in with the flat side of the needle against the screw as the picture shows. I also had the manual in front of me as I threaded the machine just to make sure I was doing it correctly. I don't know what I am doing wrong?

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    The mega quilter uses a specific needle. For the life of me I can't remember the #. The thread has to go twice thru the guide ( the metal bar that has 3 holes in it.)just before the tension disc.

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    I use nothing smaller than a 18. I think your needle is too small. And get the German brand of needles--ask your dealer what they recommend.

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    When I loosen the tension enough that the thread will not break, then I have loose thread on the underside of the quilt and the stitches are too loose to hold. I do have to use the same thread in the bobbin that I use on top. I just put in a new quilting needle this morning with a very large eye hoping that the thread would not break or shred but it still did. The needle was Fons & Porter Quilter's Decorative Thread Needles Size l4/90.[/quote]

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    I really don't know what size the dealer recommended. They sold a box of l00 inspira quilting needles but the box did not have a size on it -- just some numbers 6200809-96 if that means anything. I will go out tomorrow and look for German quilting needles size l8 or larger.
    Then I will unhook the cruise control and try again.
    Any other suggestions.

    Quote Originally Posted by franie
    I use nothing smaller than a 18. I think your needle is too small. And get the German brand of needles--ask your dealer what they recommend.

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    When I loosen the tension enough that the thread will not break, then I have loose thread on the underside of the quilt and the stitches are too loose to hold. I do have to use the same thread in the bobbin that I use on top. I just put in a new quilting needle this morning with a very large eye hoping that the thread would not break or shred but it still did. The needle was Fons & Porter Quilter's Decorative Thread Needles Size l4/90.
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    How frustrating. I hope you find the problem soon.

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    ok here is what I use: Groz-Beckert
    10 110/18
    134 San

    There are some other numbers too on the packet but they don't match your numbers

    You will have to go to a dealer for them. Joanns and most quilt shops don't carry them.

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    My Pfaff grand quilter is very particular about how the thread is coming off the spool - if I have the thread leader too high, I'm breaking thread all the time - it can only be about an inch above the spool. Finally found a sweet spot that seems to be working...seem to have to find a way that when it's unwinding off the spool, it's not jerking at all.

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    Are you putting the thread through all 3 holes on the metal bar? If you are try only putting through 2 holes and skip the middle on. Using all 3 can make the thread too tight.

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    I put the thread through the first and third guide only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Honchey
    The mega quilter uses a specific needle. For the life of me I can't remember the #. The thread has to go twice thru the guide ( the metal bar that has 3 holes in it.)just before the tension disc.

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    I will look for these needles today. I will call some shops around here then look on the internet. Thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by franie
    ok here is what I use: Groz-Beckert
    10 110/18
    134 San

    There are some other numbers too on the packet but they don't match your numbers

    You will have to go to a dealer for them. Joanns and most quilt shops don't carry them.

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    Never thought about that. Since they are made by the same company, this may be part of the problem. Thanks, I will try that also.

    Quote Originally Posted by LindaM
    My Pfaff grand quilter is very particular about how the thread is coming off the spool - if I have the thread leader too high, I'm breaking thread all the time - it can only be about an inch above the spool. Finally found a sweet spot that seems to be working...seem to have to find a way that when it's unwinding off the spool, it's not jerking at all.

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    Just two holes in the bar. thanks
    Quote Originally Posted by raksmum
    Are you putting the thread through all 3 holes on the metal bar? If you are try only putting through 2 holes and skip the middle on. Using all 3 can make the thread too tight.

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    I want to thank you for all your help with my mega quilter. I completely took the quilter off the frame today and started from the beginning. I set everything for first time set up. I reloaded a sample quilt to test and finally found the right tension after 3 hours, along with the thread this monster likes and a needle it will tolerate until the german needles come in (I ordered them today). I think I have everything under control for now. When I took everything apart, I found dirt and thread wrapped around the rollers which could have caused drag and could have caused the thread to break. I don't know. If the breakage continues, I will take the cruise contol off.
    Thanks again for all your help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by franie
    ok here is what I use: Groz-Beckert
    10 110/18
    134 San

    There are some other numbers too on the packet but they don't match your numbers

    You will have to go to a dealer for them. Joanns and most quilt shops don't carry them.

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    I tried your suggestion and you are right, I had the thread leader too high. Thanks, I would have never throught of that one. I put a piece of tape on it so it will not vibrate and move.
    doglover

    Quote Originally Posted by LindaM
    My Pfaff grand quilter is very particular about how the thread is coming off the spool - if I have the thread leader too high, I'm breaking thread all the time - it can only be about an inch above the spool. Finally found a sweet spot that seems to be working...seem to have to find a way that when it's unwinding off the spool, it's not jerking at all.

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    I am putting the thread through only 2 holes in the metal bar.
    Thank you for your suggestion.
    doglover

    Quote Originally Posted by raksmum
    Are you putting the thread through all 3 holes on the metal bar? If you are try only putting through 2 holes and skip the middle on. Using all 3 can make the thread too tight.

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    The Pfaff Grand Quilter and the Viking Mega Quilter are the same machine. Both are made by Janome. Some very basic and simple questions:

    1. Are you threading the machine with the presser foot in the raised position? This is vital to get the thread between the tension discs.

    2. Can you tell, where the thread is breaking at? Is it breaking at the needle? If it is breaking at the needle, you may not have the correct needle (HL x 5). Or the needle may be installed incorrectly. The indentation on the needle near the eye should be facing to the right. The eye should not be facing you as you sit in front of the machine. It should be facing side to side. You also thread the needle from left to right.

    2.b. Or is it breaking at the pretension bar (the one with 3 holes in it.)? If it is breaking at the pretension bar, try threading it through only one of the holes.

    I hope this helps.

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    I believe I am threading the machine with the presser foot raised because I would not be able to pull the thread if the presser foot was down, right?

    2. The thread is breaking BETWEEN the needle and the tension disc. Flat side of the needle is facing the largest part of the sewing machine while it is on the frame, away from me. The eye of the needle is facing me, I am to the side of the machine in front of the frame. I have taken a mirror and put it under the needle holder and saw where the flat side was to make sure. I am putting the needle in correctly and still am not sure always.

    3. The thread has never broken here, thank goodness.

    Thank you for your help. I will watch while I am threading to make sure the pressure foot is down.
    doglover

    Quote Originally Posted by mytwopals
    The Pfaff Grand Quilter and the Viking Mega Quilter are the same machine. Both are made by Janome. Some very basic and simple questions:

    1. Are you threading the machine with the presser foot in the raised position? This is vital to get the thread between the tension discs.

    2. Can you tell, where the thread is breaking at? Is it breaking at the needle? If it is breaking at the needle, you may not have the correct needle (HL x 5). Or the needle may be installed incorrectly. The indentation on the needle near the eye should be facing to the right. The eye should not be facing you as you sit in front of the machine. It should be facing side to side. You also thread the needle from left to right.

    2.b. Or is it breaking at the pretension bar (the one with 3 holes in it.)? If it is breaking at the pretension bar, try threading it through only one of the holes.

    I hope this helps.

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    I use the Schemetz HLX5 needle and have no problem. Be sure the flat side of the needle is next to screw. This is the needle that came with the machine.

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    Another thing that could be causing the thread to break is dust bunnies under the needle plate. I am shocked how quickly it builds up. I use the Schemetz HLX5 or the Inspira needles usually # 12 or 14 tension around 4 & I use thread from Connecting Threads. I used to have alot of trouble with the thread breaking but after trying different things I have no more problems.
    One other thing is the height of your take-up bar. It should be high enough off the machine bed to be able to slip a couple fingers comfortablby under the bar or your quilt on the bar.

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