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    I contacted a designer when I noticed her design being used as someone else's design. She wrote me back and thanked me, apparently the person was stealing her designs and selling the product. The newspaper had taken a picture of the item and I saw it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tartan View Post
    I refuse to be the Quilt Police. I hate the way quilting is going with lawsuits and copyright fights.
    I agree, I thought quilting was all about sharing, years ago quilt block patterns were published in News Papers, for anyone who cared to use them. I just don't understand, we buy their patterns, but the quilts we make with them are our own, we should be able to do with them what we want. Same thing with patterns published in magazines. Sorry I'll get off my soap box now. Its just so irritating!!

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    It may look like the designers design but how do you know the woman did not design it herself. I have designed things and later found out I wass not as original as I thought. It is not for you to judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tartan View Post
    I refuse to be the Quilt Police. I hate the way quilting is going with lawsuits and copyright fights.
    I agree. And the fact that the controversy keeps going on and on all over the internet regarding this makes me worry very little about it. I have a few questions though: Just how is anyone going to check that a person made only 10 quilts of a select pattern and sold them? How long does it take to look around and check it out to see if indeed only 10 were made? And just where do they start looking to find all 10? What would they do if they found 9? Give up cuz they are tired of looking? I picked up a pattern at my LQS and it said that a certain # could be sold. Thank you but no thank you, back on the rack it went. Befuddles me to no end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tartan View Post
    I refuse to be the Quilt Police. I hate the way quilting is going with lawsuits and copyright fights.
    I agree with Tartan. Saying that if I buy the pattern (which is a rare event for me) and I buy the fabric, then I cut it sew it quilt it, it is mine to sell if I so choose. If they don't like it I won't buy thier fabrics. Or Patterns!!!! Not to good for them if thier product is not selling.
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    OK, first, I hope I did not come off as judgmental. I did not intend that nor was I anywhere implying any criticism. It is a well recognized pattern and anyone who knows the designer's patterns knows that one, or I guess, I know it. but really, that was beside the point. just today, I opened my new issue of American quilter and on page 66, it reads: "this pattern may be copied for personal use only. Please request reprint permission for any other use." I think it means permission in print? if it will be used for some other than personal use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pat M. View Post
    I contacted a designer when I noticed her design being used as someone else's design. She wrote me back and thanked me, apparently the person was stealing her designs and selling the product. The newspaper had taken a picture of the item and I saw it.
    Thats a horse of a different color, you can't reproduce the pattern or the fabric and sell them as your own,
    but you can make things from said products and sell them, givin designer credit for pattern.
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    I would not have done anything!

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    Who the bleep cares? not me, if I want to raise a fuss it will be about something important like child hunger, lack of proper help for mental illness ..........................

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    I think you need to do what ever you are comfortable with. I think often it is a scare tactic. But for someone to not want their pattern used and the quilt sold is strange. Maybe someone will see the quilt and want to make it and then buy the pattern - more sales.
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    I agree with MYOB....in the scheme of things who cares! All this quilt policing is getting out of hand and hurtful to a lot of people. Most of the time the true facts aren't brought forward and finger pointing along with false accusations cause problems. If your conscience is clear why should you give a rip what someone else is doing. Karma eventually catches up to those who are not doing the right things in life.

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    It would be hard to believe that since you bought the pattern that you could not sell the quilt. How many people have actually made money selling one of their quilts? what with all the time and material costs it is hard to even break even. What if you had bought the quilt and now decided to resell it. .for what ever reason. I don't believe the pattern designer has that much to say when you purchased the rights when you paid for the pattern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nycquilter View Post
    just today, I opened my new issue of American quilter and on page 66, it reads: "this pattern may be copied for personal use only. Please request reprint permission for any other use." I think it means permission in print? if it will be used for some other than personal use.
    No, that's not how I read it. I believe they mean you can copy the printed pattern (like on a copier) for your personal use only (like to work from), but you need to get reprint permission to print it for any other reason (like to use it for teaching a class). They are just talking about the actual printing/duplicating of the pattern, not any quilts made from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghostrider View Post
    No, that's not how I read it. I believe they mean you can copy the printed pattern (like on a copier) for your personal use only (like to work from), but you need to get reprint permission to print it for any other reason (like to use it for teaching a class). They are just talking about the actual printing/duplicating of the pattern, not any quilts made from it.
    That is exactly what it means. You can copy the pattern for yourself, but not for general distribution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tartan View Post
    I refuse to be the Quilt Police. I hate the way quilting is going with lawsuits and copyright fights.
    I agree. Since joining this Board, there has been so much controversy over this issue. If a designer doesn't want anyone else to enjoy the pattern, it should not be sold. I consider paying upwards to $10 for a pattern gives me the right to do whatever I want with it. No, I would not make 10 quilts to sell. The designer gets paid for the pattern and after that it is up to the buyer. Bring on the lawyers...that's a good way to kill a thriving industry for sure. As Mom says, "Pick your battles."

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    some of these quilt pattern designers have gotten way out of hand that is why I do not buy magazines anymore I think they are the worst but how about buying clothes patterns and making and selling those to someone quilt pattern makers would even call an apron pattern illegal I think this is ruining the quilting industry as I know of several quilt shows that use to be regular but are no more as I have heard people say they did not want the responsibility of someone hanging a quilt that they shouldn't it only takes one rotten apple in the barrle to ruin it for everyone

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    I am so impressed with all the answers to this post. End of Sale Doctrine entitles you to do with it what you want, you did not sign a contract when you purchased the pattern to agree to the terms did you? Furthermore, there is nothing that states, that buying this pattern you agree to the terms.

    I agree with the others about MYOB, you have no idea what the circumstances regarding the quilt. You don't know if that quilt maker got permission from the designer like you stated needed to be done. Please don't be accusatory over something you have no information on. Like others have said, this causes heartache where it is not necessary. Being informed will get you a long way in life.
    As a new quilter these statements scared me at first. However, I learned very quickly that whats stated on the fabric or pattern is not necessarily legal. I educated myself on the statements printed and realized I can do with it as I please as long as I am not reprinting the pattern on a copy machine or reprinting the fabric pattern on to a blank piece of fabric.



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    well said pinkberrykay I don't know who some of these designers think they are why even sell the pattern if they don't want it used I have gotten tired of their greedy ways and now some of us even exchanges patterns we just can't print them for sale but we can give them away and if you want to look into this even further on most of these patterns it is not even theirs have you ever checked on the spinoffs first stack and whack spinoff one block wonder
    another square dance had a pattern for us to make on template plastic then spin off twister big price increase they spplied the template there are very many more as I have lots of magazines dated back to the early 80's and you would be surprised at the spinoffs that keep popping up and these are the very people not wanting their patterns used

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    Quote Originally Posted by nycquilter View Post
    so, scissor queen, you're saying that my work is my work and I can sell it even if the designer states otherwise on her pattern?? that seems counter-intuitive to me but I do like the answer. I have also seen patterns where the designer says only 10 (for example) can be sold and if you want to sell more, you need to contact the designer for permission. I tend always to do what they say (I may be oppositional, but am ultimately compliant --8^D )
    When a pattern is SOLD, it then becomes the property of the buyer. When you sell a quilt, you are selling your time and work (NOT the pattern). When a pattern designer says you can sell - BUT only x number - it is because they are trying to also sell a different pattern for production (you can see this on some web sites - two different prices on the same pattern). But copy laws are very simple - once the pattern is mass produced and sold - the designer has NO control over it. Now if a designer does NOT SELL a pattern, but only loans it out for you to use one time - the designer still OWNS this pattern (no money changed hands), then you can NOT sell it.

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    I would do nothing.

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    I agree with Tartan and would not want to be the quilt police

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    I'm just thinking from a practical standpoint . Let's say someone was not supposed to use a particular pattern. I'm SURE the time and materials that went into a quilt was not going to be adequately reimbursed by the cost of the quilt - at least not for the quilts I've seen sold at craft fairs. So, let's pay someone for the work and ability they used to make a quilt and throw in the design for free. How's that?

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    Why, oh why, is this still being talked about? This subject has been beaten to death; please, let a sleeping dog stay that way. Thank you. GiGi

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    AMEN!!! GiGi

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