Vintage Japanese 'Badged' Zig Zag and Straight Sew Sewing Machines
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#574
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Hi, Just thought I'd share pics of a Japanese machine I recently got. It came in a cabinet that I got for my Singer.
Japanese 650 Deluxe Zig-Zag. If you can help me narrow down a manufacturer and approximate build year, that would be great. Looks similar to other Japanese machines so I'm assuming they were made for department stores and only the names were changed. This one is badged "Abraham and Strauss" for the chain based in the New York area, I think.
Seems to work okay and in good shape, but I don't really have a need for another machine. I'm very new to sewing. Might try to sell it, so any idea of value? I know they aren't that collectable or valuable. There is a sewing shop, that has been around since the 60s, that I could get it serviced at or give it too. Perhaps they could find a new home for it.
Based on the JA codes I saw the Soryu is a possible manufacturer? Will continue to search this site and others for anything I can find.
Any info is appreciated.
Thanks.
Japanese 650 Deluxe Zig-Zag. If you can help me narrow down a manufacturer and approximate build year, that would be great. Looks similar to other Japanese machines so I'm assuming they were made for department stores and only the names were changed. This one is badged "Abraham and Strauss" for the chain based in the New York area, I think.
Seems to work okay and in good shape, but I don't really have a need for another machine. I'm very new to sewing. Might try to sell it, so any idea of value? I know they aren't that collectable or valuable. There is a sewing shop, that has been around since the 60s, that I could get it serviced at or give it too. Perhaps they could find a new home for it.
Based on the JA codes I saw the Soryu is a possible manufacturer? Will continue to search this site and others for anything I can find.
Any info is appreciated.
Thanks.
Last edited by Singer500A; 02-08-2024 at 08:47 PM.
#575
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Singer500A -- welcome to the boards. Glad you found us.
Although many of us are fans of these sturdy workhorses, they have very little value in general. Probably less than a professional maintenance. When I was in Seattle going rate seemed to be around $20-40. But I'd check with the shop to see if they had a direct line for the machine as a donation or if they knew of a local charity. The weight and lack of a case are drawbacks.
PS/Edit: nice pictures! Many of us have a hard time navigating the picture attaching stuff.
Although many of us are fans of these sturdy workhorses, they have very little value in general. Probably less than a professional maintenance. When I was in Seattle going rate seemed to be around $20-40. But I'd check with the shop to see if they had a direct line for the machine as a donation or if they knew of a local charity. The weight and lack of a case are drawbacks.
PS/Edit: nice pictures! Many of us have a hard time navigating the picture attaching stuff.
#576
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Join Date: Nov 2024
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Hey lovely humans, I poked through this thread but it's so long that I may have missed if this question was answered already - what to do with my machine that doesn't have a little screw to release the clutch wheel on the handwheel?
I'm stuck dismantling this machine since I can't figure out how to get the handwheel off.
Here are some pictures - there is a little peg that keeps the clutch wheel from unscrewing all the way - the peg will move back a little, but seems to be connected to a larger piece that keeps it from moving or coming off. It's not threaded/there is no head to unscrew.
Also took a video just in case that's helpful too! https://photos.app.goo.gl/aiAdTxvvYw75G88z7
I'm stuck dismantling this machine since I can't figure out how to get the handwheel off.
Here are some pictures - there is a little peg that keeps the clutch wheel from unscrewing all the way - the peg will move back a little, but seems to be connected to a larger piece that keeps it from moving or coming off. It's not threaded/there is no head to unscrew.
Also took a video just in case that's helpful too! https://photos.app.goo.gl/aiAdTxvvYw75G88z7
That's one of those rare Australian Japanese machines
#577
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Ashersgate's machine
15 clone machine from Will the Real 15 clone please stand up

There are many machines that have the tension on the nose, that are not clones, like the Kingston in the link above.
The Centennial and Kingston would be considered Class 15 machines since they would use a 15 class bobbins and 15x1 needles.
Janey - Neat people never make the exciting discoveries I do.
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15 clone machine from Will the Real 15 clone please stand up
There are many machines that have the tension on the nose, that are not clones, like the Kingston in the link above.
The Centennial and Kingston would be considered Class 15 machines since they would use a 15 class bobbins and 15x1 needles.
Janey - Neat people never make the exciting discoveries I do.
Not affiliated with off-site link(s)
Can I please get a copy of that manual for the centennial machine. I really need one. I have that machine. please help!
#578
We like pictures. In order to post pictures on Quilting Board, you will probably need to reduce or compress the picture to a file size that is smaller than 2MB. How to post images can be found at https://www.quiltingboard.com/attach...020-01-17-.pdf and on an ipad at Posting Pictures From an iPad
Don't forget to scroll over to the far right to find and click on the "Upload" button. As shown at Standard Sewing Machine Co. Paragon
I have found that only the big red "Reply" button or "Quote" work to give me the paper clip icon to work for adding pictures.
https://www.quiltingboard.com/attach...p-location.jpg
Some additional info regarding reducing images at post #4 and images for the scroll and upload button can be found at #5 of quilt block ID?
Another way to post pictures can be found at 2021/2022, 2.5” Birthday Swap
And how to use an ipad to post pictures can be found at Uploading photos and Posting Pictures From an iPad
Or simply - Make sure pictures are smaller than 2MB
Click on red "Reply" button
Click on the paper clip icon
Click browse - choose picture/s. (only 5 allowed per post)
Once they show up as being loaded, Scroll over to the right side and click on "Upload"
After the pictures show up as being attached, you can close that window and go back to the screen to finish posting your post.
Some additional notes -
The photos generally need to be reduced to less than 2MB in size. I have heard of people sending an email to themselves as it will ask if you want to reduce the size.
I have an android phone and when I tried to reply on Quilting Board while in mobile view None of the options for adding pictures was available. However, there is an option down at the bottom left of the page that is for Full Site when I tapped on "Full Site" It then looked like the way it looks on my lap top. So it would have the Red Reply and the Go Advanced options.
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#579
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Join Date: Mar 2026
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I see these forums are not as active as they were previously, but I thought I’d try to find a manual for my vintage machine. It’s a “Younker’s Deluxe” machine with a needle position selector and a buttonhole knob. It’s the exact same shape and the design lines are the same as the 1603, but I have not seen a 1603 with these options. I found a homemade manual some made to help me out, but I’ve yet to find a copy of the.original manual. Anyone have one they could scan or snap pictures of?
#580
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Here's a fairly extensive list on the Victorian Sweatshop of 15 clones. Younkers is on it so you could probably use a Singer 15 manual.
https://www.victoriansweatshop.com/p...9168?&trail=50
https://www.victoriansweatshop.com/p...9168?&trail=50
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