How would you respond to this?
#61
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hmmmmm ...
she might not have offered to pay because she already knows she should - and will - pay. there might not be an issue here.
the fact that she wants to attend in order to support her friend is not a sure sign that she assumes she can be there gratis. or that she plans to act as an assistant.
your classes are a business operation.
give her two copies of the class schedule, tool & supplies list, fee and payment deadline.
"one for you, the other for your friend."
this is just a thought. can you afford to offer her a small discount on the class fee as a thank-you for bringing a new student into the fold? not something you should feel obligated to do, but it might take away your worry about offending her.
she might not have offered to pay because she already knows she should - and will - pay. there might not be an issue here.
the fact that she wants to attend in order to support her friend is not a sure sign that she assumes she can be there gratis. or that she plans to act as an assistant.
your classes are a business operation.
give her two copies of the class schedule, tool & supplies list, fee and payment deadline.
"one for you, the other for your friend."
this is just a thought. can you afford to offer her a small discount on the class fee as a thank-you for bringing a new student into the fold? not something you should feel obligated to do, but it might take away your worry about offending her.
You've got enough here already to "practice" being assertive.
Things written down are golden!
#62
Are people really that shy? That it keeps them from attending a class about something they are interested in? I'm not really believing it. Having someone else there to help their friend during class would be a distraction and is in a way insulting. If I were teaching it I would feel like I wasn't being taken seriously. Maybe your replay should be "Why would you want to pay for a sit through a class that is way too easy for you?"
Linked to this is the issue of experienced people attending a beginners' class. Over the years I've been to several classes, quilting and other subjects, where there've been people there who should have been in an intermediate class. Some instructors can handle this and keep them busy while they focus on the beginners, some can't, and the more experienced person can then be a pain, whether they intend to be or not, disturbing the flow of the class and, in the worst scenario, diminshing the confidence of the beginners.
#63
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Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Wichita Falls, TX
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Why do I allow what? I can't control what others say, I can only control my response. I do not allow people to come to my class without paying.
My question was for suggestions on how to reply. I can, and have, come up with a response. I was just wondering how others would reply.
My question was for suggestions on how to reply. I can, and have, come up with a response. I was just wondering how others would reply.
#65
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You know what they say - start with a compliment!
I'd probably say something like:
"That's really kind of you to watch out for your friend! Unfortunately I have a very limited amount of space and I don't have the room for non-students in the classroom, plus I find that tends to cause distractions. If you'd like to stay for the first 15 minutes or so and help your friend get settled I can make an exception for that. Don't worry, I promise your friend will have a great time and make new friends in my class, I keep everything very friendly."
I'd probably say something like:
"That's really kind of you to watch out for your friend! Unfortunately I have a very limited amount of space and I don't have the room for non-students in the classroom, plus I find that tends to cause distractions. If you'd like to stay for the first 15 minutes or so and help your friend get settled I can make an exception for that. Don't worry, I promise your friend will have a great time and make new friends in my class, I keep everything very friendly."
#66
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Excellent! I like your thinking!!
You know what they say - start with a compliment!
I'd probably say something like:
"That's really kind of you to watch out for your friend! Unfortunately I have a very limited amount of space and I don't have the room for non-students in the classroom, plus I find that tends to cause distractions. If you'd like to stay for the first 15 minutes or so and help your friend get settled I can make an exception for that. Don't worry, I promise your friend will have a great time and make new friends in my class, I keep everything very friendly."
I'd probably say something like:
"That's really kind of you to watch out for your friend! Unfortunately I have a very limited amount of space and I don't have the room for non-students in the classroom, plus I find that tends to cause distractions. If you'd like to stay for the first 15 minutes or so and help your friend get settled I can make an exception for that. Don't worry, I promise your friend will have a great time and make new friends in my class, I keep everything very friendly."
#67
You know what they say - start with a compliment!
I'd probably say something like:
"That's really kind of you to watch out for your friend! Unfortunately I have a very limited amount of space and I don't have the room for non-students in the classroom, plus I find that tends to cause distractions. If you'd like to stay for the first 15 minutes or so and help your friend get settled I can make an exception for that. Don't worry, I promise your friend will have a great time and make new friends in my class, I keep everything very friendly."
I'd probably say something like:
"That's really kind of you to watch out for your friend! Unfortunately I have a very limited amount of space and I don't have the room for non-students in the classroom, plus I find that tends to cause distractions. If you'd like to stay for the first 15 minutes or so and help your friend get settled I can make an exception for that. Don't worry, I promise your friend will have a great time and make new friends in my class, I keep everything very friendly."
#68
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Location: Vancouver Island, Beautiful BC
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My ex-mil is painfully shy and anxious. When she moved to town she wanted to take a beginner's painting class, but could not get past her anxiety. She paid for me to attend with her.
It was fun, but painting is not really my thing. I followed along with the class.
I thought after she had company for the one course she would feel more comfortable about signing up for others, but nope she never did.
I am giving lots of thought to the replies here. I am going to a sewing retreat in June. I am taking my 19 year old son with me. I want to learn how to fit shirts on him, he has a big neck and if a button up shirt fits his neck it is huge on him. I will be using him to fit at the beginning and end of each day. Otherwise he will not be around.
The sewing show I go to each year has many workshops, all clearly state that only people who have paid can attend.
It was fun, but painting is not really my thing. I followed along with the class.
I thought after she had company for the one course she would feel more comfortable about signing up for others, but nope she never did.
I am giving lots of thought to the replies here. I am going to a sewing retreat in June. I am taking my 19 year old son with me. I want to learn how to fit shirts on him, he has a big neck and if a button up shirt fits his neck it is huge on him. I will be using him to fit at the beginning and end of each day. Otherwise he will not be around.
The sewing show I go to each year has many workshops, all clearly state that only people who have paid can attend.
#69
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Surely health and safety doesn't allow to have someone wondering around. How boring sitting for hours just watching a group of ladies.
i live in UK and travel 80+ miles to a class once a month. I don't / didn't know anyone when I first went. In the last few months shop initially going to went into liquidation and tutor found new home. Now anyone from any class she taught comes along.we all chatter not necessarily about our projects.
i live in UK and travel 80+ miles to a class once a month. I don't / didn't know anyone when I first went. In the last few months shop initially going to went into liquidation and tutor found new home. Now anyone from any class she taught comes along.we all chatter not necessarily about our projects.
#70
Surely health and safety doesn't allow to have someone wondering around. How boring sitting for hours just watching a group of ladies.
i live in UK and travel 80+ miles to a class once a month. I don't / didn't know anyone when I first went. In the last few months shop initially going to went into liquidation and tutor found new home. Now anyone from any class she taught comes along.we all chatter not necessarily about our projects.
i live in UK and travel 80+ miles to a class once a month. I don't / didn't know anyone when I first went. In the last few months shop initially going to went into liquidation and tutor found new home. Now anyone from any class she taught comes along.we all chatter not necessarily about our projects.
So, I guess my suggestion would be to maybe start something like that, for less of a fee. Maybe a two hour class for $15-$20 (depending on your area, the class I took is $30 for 2 hours, but NYC is super inflated price-wise). Do it once a month, the week before your next round of classes start, and for these situations, you can say, "Well, I completely understand why she might be shy about attending. How about you both come to the open sewing forum and she can get to know me a little bit that way? Unfortunately, I can't let people sit in on classes anymore, plus it's nice to have all beginners in a group. I want everyone to be comfortable, and I don't want to make the other class members nervous by having a professional longarm quilter in their midst."
Just a thought, plus it really creates a nice social community. I haven't missed an open sewing forum once, and although I'm still shy and don't say much, I enjoy seeing the regulars and listening to their chat. It's also my most productive quilting time since I'm not interrupted by the dog or the hubby, or dinner, or blah, blah, blah.
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