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    $300 for a 222K

    Hi everyone,
    Sorry to add yet another thread about the price of Featherweights, but I am specifically interested in the freearm version and have no experience with Featherweights in general so am hoping to get some feedback. Someone in another thread here said 222K's sell for $1200+ so perhaps that has thrown me off-track...
    But anyway, as the subject line suggests, I can purchase a 222K for $300 with some minor imperfections. What should I be looking for or be wary of?
    Normally I would trust my instincts on it and simply take a look, but unfortunately the seller lives a couple of hours' drive from me so it's no easy task to check it out. I'm still interested in it but need a few pointers from the people that know!
    Thanks!

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    The first thing I'd check--is to be sure it is, in fact, a 222. My frequent Craigslist jaunts have taught me that you never know what they're selling until you lay eyes on the machine yourself. I had one seller insist he had a 221, and when I got there, I found it was a model 15 (he read the serial number wrong). Another seller didn't have a digital camera, so they pulled a photo of a Singer off the internet and posted that photo in their ad--the photo was a 31-15, but what they were selling was a 99. "No, no," the woman insisted, unable to tell the difference, "they're the exact same machine!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vintage.Singers.NYC View Post
    The first thing I'd check--is to be sure it is, in fact, a 222. My frequent Craigslist jaunts have taught me that you never know what they're selling until you lay eyes on the machine yourself.
    That's interesting - and good advice!
    There are quite detailed pics of this one, including the badge. I suppose the distinctive body and free arm are quite inimitable factors in this case. I'm pretty sure it is what it appears to be, unless there are very convincing replicas on the market. It's being sold in a more 'as is' capacity though with no attempt to make it look better than an 'old machine' needing some TLC.

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    Get the serial number, see some good pics including the bobbin case and machine case, and make the trip. Sounds like quite a bargain even if you have to make some repairs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monroe View Post
    Get the serial number, see some good pics including the bobbin case and machine case, and make the trip. Sounds like quite a bargain even if you have to make some repairs.
    Thanks Monroe. I got the serial number and it looks like a 1956 model - does that mean anything to anyone? Interested to know if all 222's are the same or if earlier/later models differ in any way. I can't find any info on ISMACS or Needlebar.

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    Singer only made the open arm 222 machines for a couple of years so there shouldn't be any difference in the models. The machines were expensive to make and were expensive to buy for that time. As a result, 222's are much harder to find as there were so few made in comparison to the 221.
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    That's way too rich for my blood but it really doesn't sound all that bad price-wise. As Shelbie says...not that many made to begin with so relatively rare. If I were willing to pay that price it would definitely be worth the ride for me, particularly on a pretty day!

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    Go get that one! You can afford to make repairs with that price! The only ones I have found were in the $800 range. Let us know if you decide to purchase it.
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    It may be wired for the UK and if it is it can be wired for the US at about $60.00 to $100.00. I got one for a good price and had to have it wired for the US, I love it. Mke sure the free arm is not broken and the bed hinges are not broken. The bobbin and case is in tack, the bobbin winder it there and the thread pin is also there.
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    I would grab it and run!

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    Use it before you buy it. Run the motor for at least a few minutes. To make sure the motor doesn't smoke! I just bought a 221 and I did run the motor for a second. Then when I got home to really test it out. It smoked. Turned out it had a lot of oil and old grease in the motor. I pulled the whole motor apart and cleaned it. Somewhat of an easy fix. But I bet I could have gotten a better price for it. Also make sure it has a bobbin case, and that the wheel turns easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frudemoo View Post
    Thanks Monroe. I got the serial number and it looks like a 1956 model - does that mean anything to anyone? Interested to know if all 222's are the same or if earlier/later models differ in any way. I can't find any info on ISMACS or Needlebar.
    I have a 222 that I bought and received shipped from England. Anything $600 or less is a bargain!
    The 222s were made in Scotland for the English market with the English power only, so either a converter (which I got with mine, but did not work well) or change the motor for our power here. Wall plug will have to be changed, too.
    None of that was a problem for me as my wholesale supplier has motors and everything else that I could possibly need.
    By, the way 222 were made from 1953 until 1961. Serial numbers were EJ, EK, EL, EM, EN, EP, ER, and ES.
    Let me know if I can help.
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    222s also came to Canada. Because they were available here and overseas, it does lower their price a little in our market. I do see $800- 900 regularly for them here, but they move pretty fast when they're priced like that if they come with everything. I've seen them as high as $1200

    I picked one up in January: http://www.quiltingboard.com/vintage...l-t210182.html - same price. Eliza (her official name, after my aunt, you'll see why in that thread) didn't sew when I got her. The timing was off, someone had been futzing where they shouldn't be, the "finger" was misplaced, the bobbin case was misassembled, the machine was sluggish moving. I bought her anyway. Timing is easy to set (with patience), the rest was cleaning, oil, grease, and proper assembly you would do with proper maintenance. She sews like a dream today, and looks great too.

    Even if there is no bobbin case, it's still a really good deal for a 222. The bobbin case can be had from People like Glenn Williams in Florida for an original. Across the Ocean, I wonder if Helen Howes can help you...

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    Assuming it's really a 222, I would get it so fast that I'd look like a blur in motion! Great price, even if you have to spend a little to get it brought up to par. One good thing about the FWs is that they are relatively cheap to repair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MimiBug123 View Post
    Assuming it's really a 222, I would get it so fast that I'd look like a blur in motion! Great price, even if you have to spend a little to get it brought up to par. One good thing about the FWs is that they are relatively cheap to repair.
    I have seen some priced at 1400. I would love to have one, but doesn't look possible unless I inherit one from someone. Grab and run.

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    Thanks everyone... I've hesitated (maybe too long!!) because I can't really afford it at the moment - so maybe I've missed out. I need to call her tomorrow. Sounds like it would be a great investment even if I have to stretch to grab it if I can. Here are some pics that show the condition, just to tide us all over in the meantime ...

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    frudemoo, I couldn't really afford Eliza either, but I'm still really glad I have her. In the end, I took in a few more repair jobs (computer and sewing machine) and paid her adoption fee.

    ETA, yes, it's a 222. Which I'm sure you knew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MimiBug123 View Post
    Assuming it's really a 222, I would get it so fast that I'd look like a blur in motion! Great price, even if you have to spend a little to get it brought up to par. One good thing about the FWs is that they are relatively cheap to repair.
    Me too........I'd grab it so fast even if I had to get a second mortgage

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchaicArcane View Post
    frudemoo, I couldn't really afford Eliza either, but I'm still really glad I have her.
    What are your favourite things about Eliza? (beautiful name, BTW - I just called my Necchi "Barbarella" because she was as dirty as a barbecue!)

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    Well....if you do decide to go for it, I think it would be a worthwhile investment. From the pics, there isn't a hint of corrosion or rust - even on the case latches. As a fellow Aussie...and knowing how expensive machines are here I'd be well tempted to grab it....beans on toast is pretty nutritious

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    Quote Originally Posted by frudemoo View Post
    What are your favourite things about Eliza? (beautiful name, BTW - I just called my Necchi "Barbarella" because she was as dirty as a barbecue!)
    I love the sound of her. It's a little different than the 221s. She looks like a little mini (adorable) industrial to me. The fact that I can "remove" her decals (they're all on the removable portion of the bed) and not worry as much about her. The feed dogs dropping is not that big a deal for me. I spent a lot of time with her just to get her running, as you could see from that thread, so we bonded. She's also special because she shares a birthday with my aunt, hence how she got her name. My aunt's name is Liz, or Elizabeth...

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    Hi everyone

    I've decided to buy the machine... an early birthday present for myself! The more I have read about and seen these machines online, the more intrigued I've become. I'm really looking forward to owning one and I know I will love it.

    Picking up next Wednesday!!

    Please share with me some of your best featherweight acquisition stories or pics of things you've made to help me pass the time

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    Yeah!!! Congrats! You've already seen my acquisition story, the link I posted back on page 2. I think you'll love it (her?) Happy early birthday!

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    Congrats... Please post again after you pick her up!! We want to see more pictures!

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    Glad you are getting it- I'd been Hoping you would! I just got a good deal on a white 221- $150 with case, picking it up tomorrow am. Some paint loss on the front edge, but the case looks good. They go for $350 plus here (upstate NY). And I'm getting a 3 drawer Howe treadle base this weekend- no machine, but I'm saving it from being made into a table! Don't know if it has the bobbin winder.

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