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Thread: Accessory hardware inBentwood Case Lid

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    Accessory hardware inBentwood Case Lid

    I just got a 1929 Model 99, with bentwood case and knee controller. I'm having difficulty figuring out what the attachment hardware in the lid is for, and how the knee controller arm is supposed to be stored there.

    It seems likely that largest piece of hardware is for a box that would hold sewing attachments, but it doesn't fit either of the two boxes I have. I thought at first that it might have been to hold a foot pedal, but then remembered that this machine was knee-controlled.

    Another piece looked like it might hold a short, oblong oil can, but the green can I have is much too large.

    The last and smallest fitting seems like it should hold an end of the knee lever, but neither end will fit in it, and I can't see any obvious orientation of the lever that would allow it to be attached inside the lid.

    There are no other holes inside the case lid where other fitting might have been attached at one time, except for a couple inside a shallow, round indention on one end of the case, partially covered by the largest attachment fitting.

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    I guess I should mention that I'm aware of the damage to the lid where the handle attaches, and I have seen photos of some sort of handle hardware, for a 201 I believe, that included something for holding a knee lever, but there no signs I can see of the lever ever having been mounted anywhere inside the lid, such as scratches etc.

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    The squarish clip is for a green cardboard accessory box (old type), solid green color with red writing, at least mine are. A bit into the 50s they changed the size (I think they are white, red and green). There were metal tins too, but I don't think they ever fitted in the clip. The end of the knee lever goes in the smallest metal bit in the top , mine has some sort of additional latch securing the lever in place.
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    I was hoping Mickey2 would chime in. https://www.quiltingboard.com/vintag...e-t296444.html It looks like there has been some refinishing on one side of the handle which might indicate someone didn't know how to attach the knee bar and just took it off. Maybe the previous owners never put the knee bar in the cover and just left it out all the time.

    Actually, I think I have a couple different sizes of green boxes with red lettering. I think the number would be 160809 for the one that would fit the 99.

    Yes the oil bracket would be for the short oval oil can.


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    I have three green cardboard boxes, one for a 99K (1934) and it sais "Singer accessories for 99K machine" , one for my 201 (1950), and a rather random attachment box with no model numer, just the Singer name in red. The last one is slighly shorter, but fits the clip fine. My 99K and my 201 came with the old type user manual too, green booklet.

    By 1955 the new box and manual were introduced, at least on m 201K23. This is the type that came with my 99K. I don't know if any of the metal tins fits the bent wood case, there is a green tin case too, but I think the early ones were carboard. The early 99 came in a black suit case type encasing too, and I guess it has different arrangment for the loose parts.
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    I have one of those machines with the knee piece. To the best of my memory it fits in the lid on an angle. I will check when I get a chance to dig it out of the closet.
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    you do not have the hardware to hold the knee lever. there are two types, and one is part of the handle, the other is a couple of clips on the side.

    It looks like the handle pulled out at one point and was repaired. It's very possible the original handle with the holder for the knee lever was damages or lost, and it was replaced by the much more common style without it.

    It is also very possible that this lid did not originally go with that machine.
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    I found a pic of the one that mounts to the handle. The other has mounts on the side of the cabinet.

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    Your photo of that mounting piece, along with the handle damage (and funky repair!) on my case lid, point to what I think is a pretty good answer to my question. So, now, on with the quest to find that part!

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    1928 is a tricky date, there is an early and a later version of the knee lever and I think the way it is stored in the lid. My 1934 99K has the later type knee lever. If it has knee lever base and electrical motor, I guess it should have all the fittings for the lid. Later on pedal became more common, but both options remained common a bit ino the 1950s, at least for bent wood models made in the UK factory.

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    I've found the flat end bars (later model) store hooked to the handle, and the barrel end store on the side of the case.
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    I double-checked the fit of my knee lever with the single hardware piece on the end panel of the lid, and definitely neither end of the lever will fit. Perhaps I don't have the original lever, but it does fit on the shaft that connects to the controller. This is the only knee operated machine I've ever actually seen in person, so I don't know how many other lever designs, or orientations for storage there might be. But, it seems clear that this lever doesn't fit this mounting bracket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtboze View Post
    ...Perhaps I don't have the original lever, but it does fit on the shaft that connects to the controller....
    You must have the correct lever/bar since it fits the machine. Probably the cover was replaced. It has been a while since I have had my 1929 99 out, so I got it out and snapped a picture of how it is mounted. The front side (that has the Singer decal) is down in the picture.

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    The Simanco #191412 is on the bar.

    I really need to get some of Glenn's "elixir" on that. You can see there are a lot of scratch marks .

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    I have two knee-lever machines. The one with the curved lever, that started this thread and doesn’t fit in the case lid, is on the 99 from 1929. It is marked “18195”.


    The other machine is a 128 from 1924, and it is marked “19142”. It also has “99 MACH 201 SET”, and “128” stamped below that. It is mounted in the case lid similar to Janey’s, except that the right-hand mount is located on the right side of the oil can holder in my case list. Even though it is marked with the same number as Janey’s, her knee lever looks more bent than mine, which is almost totally straight.

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    A correction to the last post: I goofed (no excuse) on typing the model numbers for the two knee levers. My curved one has the same number as Janey's curved lever. The difference I found was that the mounting arrangement I have in my 128 case, which is near identical to her curved lever in the 99 case, is accommodating an almost straight lever.

    It's challenging that cases, levers and other parts found with any machine can so easily be mismatched. And, for someone totally new to acquiring vintage sewing machines, it causes me to question whether it's even worth the effort to try to asssemble a machine as it was originally shipped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtboze View Post
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    It's challenging that cases, levers and other parts found with any machine can so easily be mismatched. And, for someone totally new to acquiring vintage sewing machines, it causes me to question whether it's even worth the effort to try to asssemble a machine as it was originally shipped.
    It happens a lot with machines this old. Plus some of them made it through the "Depression Era" where many 'made do' with what they had. Some probably would repair or replace parts with whatever worked.

    I picked up a White that had a Japanese ZZ manual and other mismatched feet. There were top clamp feet (for the White machine), a broken back clamp ruffler, some high shank feet and a low shank foot. Then there was a bag of sewing notions I picked up at a thrift store that had five different types of bobbins. Then there are lots of items that show up in sewing machine drawers don't have anything to do with sewing - like plastic toy soldiers, etc.

    I think you may have missed a digit on the straight knee bar. I've never seen a table that holds a 'portable' case. I'm thinking that may have a different knee lever.

    My #191412 knee lever also has "99 mach 200 set" and "128 " 201 set"

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    Thanks for the number. The stamping was so faint, I was using a jeweler's eye loupe to read it. There was a space in the number, but the thickness of the enamel gave no hint the there was a digit hiding underneath. Thanks for your gracious, encouraging words. The idea of finding unexpected treasures in drawers or boxes IS pretty exciting. Most recently finding Singer grease tubes in a couple of cardboard accessory boxes (including a black box - I had never heard of a black one), and a rolled up 27K/28K 5 1/2" by 8 1/2" manual rolled up inside the wooden accessory compartment inside a coffin top cover.

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    I just found a straight knee lever, but it is for a 24-62 at http://ismacs.net/singer_sewing_mach...g-machine.html (Not affiliated with link) I happen to have the parts list for that machine and the number is 191186.

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