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    Finding vintage machine resources

    This thread will provide a place to list sources for parts and information on repairing vintage machines, and how to search for information on the Internet.
    Please note that this isn't somewhere to advertise or exchange parts or machines and this would be a breach of QB rules.

    As a start, if you have a 201, model 15, 66 or 99 you should check out the tfsr (tools for self reliance) website for their repair manual series.

    ISMACS is the sewing machine collectors society. They have a lot of information about sewing machines, mainly Singers. If you need to look up a serial number or a model number, it is a very useful resource.
    Singers: model 12 MOP (1885) Improved Family 29k58 (1939) 44K11 (1921) 201K2, 201K23 206k11 (1950) 222k (1959) 320k2(1959), 15K90, Bernina 530, Pfaff:360 (1959) http://tailororfailure.blogspot.com

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    People ask for that info nearly every day.
    NEVER let a sewing machine know you are in a hurry.
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    I find that in addition to those, for Research (grain of salt), I like Sewalot and Sewmuse

    For older parts Helen Howes - (if this is too commercial/advertisement, let me know)

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    This forum is the biggest resource I know. Not necessarily for parts, but certainly the knowledge of where to find them.
    I'll plug Sew-Classic.com for many of the more commonly needed replacement parts.
    Singerco.com is good for free downloadable Singer manuals.
    Don't overlook the manufacturers that are still around. Many are excellent resources for dating your machines. I'm surprised at how many still have their old records.
    Rodney
    "Neglect to oil the machine will shorten its life and cause you

    trouble and annoyance" Quote from Singer Model 99 Manual

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    Singer 206, 306, 319 resources

    If you have a 319, here is a pull down and rebuild guide from Miriam. Very picture heavy.
    Here's another thread started by Great White who had just acquired a 319.

    If you have a 320, 319, 306 or 206, do not use ordinary domestic (15x1, 2020, 705) needles. They are too long and may strike the bobbin case when using heavier fabric. The latter three machines use different bobbin cases. The 306 and 319 look almost identical but they are different in many ways. The 319 and 320 use the same bobbin case.

    Looking for a manual?
    319K manual from Singer
    306 manual from Singer
    206 manual from Singer
    206K25 manual from Singer

    Singer is quite generous with manuals for their older machines and allows free downloads provided they have it as a pdf. These are printable yourself or they can send you one for a fee (type the model number into their search page).
    Singers: model 12 MOP (1885) Improved Family 29k58 (1939) 44K11 (1921) 201K2, 201K23 206k11 (1950) 222k (1959) 320k2(1959), 15K90, Bernina 530, Pfaff:360 (1959) http://tailororfailure.blogspot.com

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    There is also a repair manual:
    http://parts.singerco.com/IPsvcManuals/306W25.pdf
    NEVER let a sewing machine know you are in a hurry.
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    Can this thread be given a sticky? I got a vintage singer a couple of months back and will finall have time next week to give her some attention. I know that I will have lots of questions as she's my first vintage machine and this thread looks like a thread that people like me will be looking for all the time. Seems "sticky"-material to me. :-) Whaddaya say everyone else and admins?

    P.S. Until then I'll just bookmark it...but later visitors might not find it. Just a thought! :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzykittenbutt View Post
    Can this thread be given a sticky?
    It's going to be. Just waiting for the admin to do it.
    Singers: model 12 MOP (1885) Improved Family 29k58 (1939) 44K11 (1921) 201K2, 201K23 206k11 (1950) 222k (1959) 320k2(1959), 15K90, Bernina 530, Pfaff:360 (1959) http://tailororfailure.blogspot.com

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    There are a lot of stickies now - we may need a sticky for "The best of QB Antique and Vintage Sewing Machines" and have it set up for just moderators to post what gets nominated or voted in. Just a thought - there are a lot of really good threads on QB that need to be found again and again but too many stickies and it will get hard to see the threads. I believe the info for working on machines was suppose to be covered in that sticky we put up with the cleaning video a couple years ago. But then again maybe something like that could go into "The best of QB Antique and Vintage Sewing Machines" thread.
    NEVER let a sewing machine know you are in a hurry.
    good mothers let you lick the beaters - great mothers turn it off first

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    For Japanese machines, we also use
    http://www.quiltingboard.com/picture...p-t164361.html
    and
    http://www.quiltingboard.com/vintage...s-t207880.html
    and
    http://www.quiltingboard.com/vintage...s-t207880.html

    This is old but it comes up on occasion:
    http://www.quiltingboard.com/vintage...t-t174236.html - I'm sure there could be 40 more links tagged on to that one if someone wanted to take the time.

    This comes up and I think there are an assortment of other threads on the same topic - I'm not sure where they all are: http://www.quiltingboard.com/main-f1...s-t160607.html

    Arctic has a lot of real nice trouble shooting and repair info on her blog. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzFX...AyBQ2l-Mzkw7ew video on re-assembling a tension

    Muv has a lot of info on the long bobbin on her blog page. There are links to that on the sticky with her cleaning info.

    There is a whole lot more info on here that is harder to find. The search comes up with way too much selection to narrow down what a person needs some times.

    The information Glenn has posted about caring for the finish on the old machines should be on the sticky as well:
    http://www.quiltingboard.com/vintage...ts-t97670.html
    http://www.quiltingboard.com/vintage...s-t193635.html
    http://www.quiltingboard.com/vintage...r-t235747.html
    http://www.quiltingboard.com/tutoria...s-t109859.html

    A lot of times you can search google to find just about as much information/videos as your pea brain can hold on to. It is not difficult to search and find good information.

    Other things that comes up almost daily are how do I find a manual for XXX machine? How old is my machine? What is my machine worth? Is this too much to pay for XXX machine? A lot of time is spent by QB members answering those questions daily. A lot of space is taken up by those same questions almost daily. For information, Google is your friend... I almost think if there is a new sticky about anything nobody will read it anyway.
    NEVER let a sewing machine know you are in a hurry.
    good mothers let you lick the beaters - great mothers turn it off first

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    More good threads:
    http://www.quiltingboard.com/vintage...y-t236275.html
    and
    http://www.quiltingboard.com/vintage...s-t243276.html

    I don't think I could begin to come up with all of the really good threads on my own in one sitting.
    NEVER let a sewing machine know you are in a hurry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manicmike View Post
    It's going to be. Just waiting for the admin to do it.
    woohoo! thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzykittenbutt View Post
    woohoo! thanks!
    Fuzzykittenbutt! Your name makes me giggle. :-)
    -Cecilia. Tinkering more than stitching, really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miriam View Post
    Arctic has a lot of real nice trouble shooting and repair info on her blog.
    *giggle* *Snort* How did you know we got snow AGAIN today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchaicArcane View Post
    *giggle* *Snort* How did you know we got snow AGAIN today?
    I guessed since it is unseasonably cold here... you do have a good blog... snicker.
    NEVER let a sewing machine know you are in a hurry.
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    Packing a vintage machine

    Was started by SteveH information on packing a machine to send it by post.
    Singers: model 12 MOP (1885) Improved Family 29k58 (1939) 44K11 (1921) 201K2, 201K23 206k11 (1950) 222k (1959) 320k2(1959), 15K90, Bernina 530, Pfaff:360 (1959) http://tailororfailure.blogspot.com

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    Google Search info...

    30 second primer......


    Google crawls the web reading and logging as much as it can about the various websites it finds. EVERY word.


    When you do a search it compares that search to it's database of info. It is not actually "looking all over the web" when you search, it is just looking in it's database.


    If I say search for sites with "all about me" (without the quotes) It will find the database records with the most "matches" to each individual word in the search. NOT in that order or even together. So the above search term would find the page in it's database with the highest count of the words "me" "about" and "all". a lot of people give computers more credit than they deserve. For example, in the above search, the computer has no "understanding" of the term "me". If i wanted to really do that search I would type the phrase (about "Steve Heeter") without the parentheses. the quotes tell the system to look for EXACTLY what is in between the quotes IN THAT ORDER AND CASE.


    There is a LOT more that can be done to make searches "smarter" like putting a + in front of word that says this word is more important that the others and MUST be on the site for it to be shown, whereas without it is only gets as close a match as it can. You can use a - symbol to say find sites without this word... i.e. Sewing machine resources -Singer would give a reply that is less Singer oriented that without the -Singer part.


    Definitely not as simple as some folks think.


    Getting replies is the EASY part, weeding out the unwanted replies is the tricky part.


    One last note. the first few replies are usually paid sponsored replies so look over the whole first page of results before clicking on the links

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    These are 2 of my favorites:
    http://mysewingmachineobsession.blogspot.it/
    http://vssmb.blogspot.ca/

    Also worth noting is that Bing sometimes gets different results than Google does and sometimes they're relevant with less of the advertising stuff. The same rules that Steve posted should work on Bing as well.

    For instance: Searching for Singer Factory St Jean sur Richelieu in each search engine:

    http://www.bing.com/search?q=Singer+...ZI&form=MOZSBR
    https://www.google.ca/search?q=Singe...+sur+Richelieu

    Sorry Montreal is on the brain as it looks like I'm headed there at the end of the month for 3 days. I was hoping to pop by the site of the plant but it looks like there's no point. It's condos now.

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    Narrowing down your Google search to match a web site

    You can tell Google to only show you results from a particular site or sites.

    For example, here is how I showed my students this afternoon how to search for info on store cards and narrow it down to only include Australian web sites:

    "store cards" site:.au

    This means search for the string in that order and only with a space in between, the site: bit means only show results for web sites that end in .au

    If you want to search using Google but only search QB, you'd add "site:www.quiltingboard.com". The possibilities extend to anything in between. For Aus Gov't sites "site:.gov.au" etc.

    Told the students (VCAL numeracy) it was probably the most useful thing they would ever learn in my subject
    Singers: model 12 MOP (1885) Improved Family 29k58 (1939) 44K11 (1921) 201K2, 201K23 206k11 (1950) 222k (1959) 320k2(1959), 15K90, Bernina 530, Pfaff:360 (1959) http://tailororfailure.blogspot.com

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    Hey Mike! That's a good tip, I like that one (I always forget to use it though for some reason, so thanks for helping me rediscover it!) but it can be a little pollution high. If you search for a particular topic on a site, you may find hundreds of hits returned for what amounts to roughly a half dozen pages that have lots of tags. That said, it IS nice to have to wade through this kind of pollution rather than the completely irrelevant stuff.

    ex. I think there are about 8 relevant posts on tension on my,... er... Arctic's blog...
    if I search tension on the site:
    https://www.google.ca/search?q=tensi...haicarcane.com
    I get 170 hits.

    There are 98 posts on the site in total.

    ETA: OK, my search says that there are 37 posts with the word tension in them... apparently there's a little stress in my life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchaicArcane View Post
    if I search tension on the site:
    https://www.google.ca/search?q=tensi...haicarcane.com
    I get 170 hits.

    There are 98 posts on the site in total.
    Hi arctic (Miriam has started something), I see why pages have been returned multiple times. A page with the word is listed with every other tag you've had on the page with it. E.g.
    www.archaicarcane.com/tag/403a/, www.archaicarcane.com/tag/slantomatic/ and www.archaicarcane.com/tag/tips/
    (not the only three times it comes up). So you don't get your statistics right, but you'll easily find the right articles
    Singers: model 12 MOP (1885) Improved Family 29k58 (1939) 44K11 (1921) 201K2, 201K23 206k11 (1950) 222k (1959) 320k2(1959), 15K90, Bernina 530, Pfaff:360 (1959) http://tailororfailure.blogspot.com

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    That's what I was mentioning about tags. Tags, categories all of it would "clutter" up the results, but at least they're relevant.

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    Tried your tip Mike to locate a resource for Domestic serial numbers. It worked great but no resources that I could see on the QB. Thanks for the tip though.


    Does anyone have a resource for these serial numbers?

    Linda

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    OK, computer geeks .... just teasing ..... I have been all over the files I have, Google, and I still need a source for parts such as bobbin hook parts, screws, and other small darn near impossible to find pieces.

    Not doing so great as your "code lines" are like reading trigonometry to me. 1+1=2 is my speed, past that and I'm losted.

    Joe

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    If you're looking for a "supplier", sewingpartsonline has a lot of stuff listed, more than Jenny does. Though be warned, their listing are not always correct, so use your judgement.

    If you're looking for part numbers, as far as the Singer machines, the parts charts I sent you should manage a lot of it (for those who don't have the charts, here are the charts I sent to Joe and more: http://www.brewersewing.com/BQSS_Consumer/b2bsewing.asp)...

    The rest comes down to developing your Google-Foo. No real other way around it unfortunately.

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