Mrskbburg1201

Hi everyone,

Being new to all of this, i just bought a treadle machine from an antique store. Not knowing much about it, I thought research would be the way to start. Before even learning HOW to use it, I want to know what I even have lol. I have learned it's very hard to date machines. I've accepted that.

Here's what I can tell you. On the back of the machine it's says Charles Williams stores, New York. From other research I've done mainly ebay HA. It REALLY REALLY resembles a windsor b, Montgomery ward. This is the only one I can find that even the screw placement matches. What's throwing me off though, it does not say windsor on the front, it's says Betsy Ross. Why? How? Does that mean its not a windsor b? Is it something different, and what is it? I need to replace the belt (on its way), not sure if it's missing any parts (that would be helpful also), also looking into cleaning, it also came with an attachment box in one of the drawers if thats helpful. I really want to know. It's driving me bonkers, I've been researching for 4 days with very little sleep and lots of coffee, talking like 1am nights. Please help! 🙏

Also I cannot find a serial number, I've looked up, down, crawling on the floor, flashlights. Cant find it.

Also, I'm not really sure how to post pictures?

Mrskbburg1201

Hopefully did this right!

Mrskbburg1201

Hey I did it!

OurWorkbench

I thought Betsy Ross machines were toy machines, but I did find https://www.collectorsweekly.com/sto...arles-williams There is a thread here on QB National Improved Eldredge type B manual? that I think maybe helpful as it would take a needle that is not readily available. There are some work-around methods to use a modern needle.

It is recommended the you wipe it down with cotton balls or cotton fabric and sewing machine oil - NOT 3-in-1 oil. This is to preserve what decals are there.

Not that a serial number will be particularly helpful, they sometimes are on the front slide plate or on the bed of the machine after the front slide plate is removed.

sschick

Hi. I have never heard of this machine, but found someone else looking for info also. The link below is to a website called collector's weekly. If you scroll down to the comment section, someone said it was made by National and is the model IEB or Improved Eldredge B. The second link is to what may be the instruction manual for it. Hope this helps at least point you in the correct direction.

Shari

https://www.collectorsweekly.com/sto...arles-williams

https://ismacs.net/national/national...n-manuals.html

Mrskbburg1201

Thats what i was finding too about betsy ross machines being toy machines, but when i looked those up, it didnt look anything like this. So i don't know. I will take a look at those other threads. Thank you!

1CharmShort

For additional help on these and other questions that might/will come up, the folks over at Victorian Sweatshop live, breathe and love all things vintage sewing. There is an incredible amount of collective wisdom and inspiration to be found there.

https://www.victoriansweatshop.com/

Your new machine is pretty. Have fun learning all about her.

WIChix

Traditional leather treacle belt sellerss can be found with an internet search. They are about 70-72" , cut to fit. Be sure to buy the cluo/sraple, too. They run about $10.
You can also use window screen spline, or even cotton string in a pinch.