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    Identification needed on vintage sewing machine

    My wife bought what she thought was a antique singer from ebay, when we looked at the machine it seemed to look similar in style to the 12k fiddlebase but without the shaped base(maybe singer clone) and the gold badge does not look like any singer badges that i have seen while searching the net, also maybe looks like it also takes the 12/1 rare needles as any needle we have tried do not fit(too big). Any help getting this machine identified(maker and model and year) would be helpful, also on the main black body where some of the gold decals have faded just to the left and under the 1st spool holder we noticed when shined at with a torch 2 words that looks like used to be there but now faded away "The Phoenix".

    Thanks for reading and hope someone can help
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    I've never seen one, but it's lovely.

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    I too don't know what machine this is, but she is sure pretty. Love the decals on her.
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    This is a German transverse shuttle machine. On the last picture you can see the spindle sticking out of the right side of the bobbin winder. A sharpening stone is placed on this spindle.The sharpening stone spindle is an usually indication of German manufacture.
    I looked up Phoenix in the Needlebar Needle Book. It shows two manufacturers. National (an American company) and Baer & Rempel (a German company).

    Hope this helps,
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    Last edited by Mizkaki; 04-16-2013 at 07:33 PM.
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    "Most sewing machine problems are due to the carbon based unit in the chair in front of the machine"

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    Thanks will try and look them up, would be nice if I can finally crack this little puzzle.

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    Mizkaki, Is the end of the spindle a sharpening stone, or is one added on to it? My Gritzner has that spindle on it's bobbin winder, and I was wondering just why. Now I know. Do you also know why it has two spindles for thread? Caroline S kindly uploaded pictures of my Gritzner hand crank to the Vintage machine photos, so you can see it there, if you wish. Wouldn't the same needles that you recommended to me work in the Phoenix too? I have a feeling they are both of the same time period, as the top of my machine's case looks a lot like the one pictured above.

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    Janis what size needles worked in your Grizner as I could try the same.

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    Janis,

    The sharpening stone is placed on the B/W spindle.
    To my understanding the second spool pin is used in winding the bobbins.
    Yes, the same needles (DBX1 AKA 16x231) can be used for most transverse shuttle machines. The exception is the Singer 12, it doesn't like anything except the 12x1 needle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janis View Post
    Mizkaki, Is the end of the spindle a sharpening stone, or is one added on to it? My Gritzner has that spindle on it's bobbin winder, and I was wondering just why. Now I know. Do you also know why it has two spindles for thread? Caroline S kindly uploaded pictures of my Gritzner hand crank to the Vintage machine photos, so you can see it there, if you wish. Wouldn't the same needles that you recommended to me work in the Phoenix too? I have a feeling they are both of the same time period, as the top of my machine's case looks a lot like the one pictured above.
    Cathy

    "Most sewing machine problems are due to the carbon based unit in the chair in front of the machine"

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    It sure is a beauty!
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    My guess is circa 1880 to 1910 or so. It's not a Singer, not anything I've seen before, but very nice!

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    Yes we thought about late 19th century, but that makers badge has us stumped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stargatesg1sean View Post
    Janis what size needles worked in your Grizner as I could try the same.

    Thanks
    Mizkaki told me what needles would work on my machine, and as she suggests, they just might work on yours too. Mine doesn't have the little needle stop at the top of where the needle fits in, so I can adjust it to where it needs to be. Mizkaki has been very helpful to me and willing to share the knowledge.

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    Here is what I posted last week for Janis.
    "yours is a TS (transverse shuttle). All TSs take a 12x1 needle. AND most German TSs will work with the common industrial DBX1 needle.
    Remember that the TSs do not have a needle stop for depth. Place the needle oriented the correct way (usually with the long groove facing forward), push it up to where you know its too high and clamp it down lightly. Turn the hand wheel towards you until the timing mark (an etched horizontal line on the top left of the needlebar) is just entering the casting. Now loosen and lower the needle until the eye is just entering the needle plate. Your needle is now set properly. See the thread: Does anyone else have one of these?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janis View Post
    Mizkaki told me what needles would work on my machine.
    Last edited by Mizkaki; 04-19-2013 at 12:17 PM.
    Cathy

    "Most sewing machine problems are due to the carbon based unit in the chair in front of the machine"

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    I used the Mr. Needlebar Dating program to I look up your serial number (assuming its a Baer & Rempel, based on the info from Needlebar's Needle Book) I got it as a 1923 to 1930 made in Bielefeld in Germany. I know that is a lot of assumptions, but it may be the best we can get for now.

    Quote Originally Posted by stargatesg1sean View Post
    My wife bought what she thought was a antique singer from ebay, when we looked at the machine it seemed to look similar in style to the 12k fiddlebase but without the shaped base(maybe singer clone) and the gold badge does not look like any singer badges that i have seen while searching the net, also maybe looks like it also takes the 12/1 rare needles as any needle we have tried do not fit(too big). Any help getting this machine identified(maker and model and year) would be helpful, also on the main black body where some of the gold decals have faded just to the left and under the 1st spool holder we noticed when shined at with a torch 2 words that looks like used to be there but now faded away "The Phoenix".

    Thanks for reading and hope someone can help
    Cathy

    "Most sewing machine problems are due to the carbon based unit in the chair in front of the machine"

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    I realise this is an old thread but this image came up in a search I was doing and it looked familiar. I helped someone else with answering the same question on another page a few days ago. The machine is a Stoewer Transverse Shuttle.

    http://www.needlebar.org/cm/displayi..._display_media

    I hope that helps!

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