New Parish machine I just bough for $12
04-14-2015, 05:20 PM
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New Parish machine I just bough for $12
Hi all,
I just purchased this "new to me" machine at an antique store today.
It was marked $25, but the seller came down to $12 before I could say anything.
I thought the "attachments" would be worth that just for what I can learn in researching them.
Now, I've just got to convince the DW that neither the new machine or I have to sleep outside tonight.
All I can see is "New Parish" on the arm and the S/N 1030477P on the bobbin slide plate.
It did come with a shuttle and two bobbins.
A "list of needles" on the Needlebar.org website says it was made by "Standard Sewing Machines" and takes a 15x1 needle. Would this be an "Early" example of a 15 clone? Any clue as to how old it might be? It does have a nice "hexagonal" arm that I'd never seen before. Remember I'm new to the Sewing Machine collecting habit, I mean hobby.
Can anyone enlighten me on this machine? At least point me in the right direction to start looking?
I just purchased this "new to me" machine at an antique store today.
It was marked $25, but the seller came down to $12 before I could say anything.
I thought the "attachments" would be worth that just for what I can learn in researching them.
Now, I've just got to convince the DW that neither the new machine or I have to sleep outside tonight.
All I can see is "New Parish" on the arm and the S/N 1030477P on the bobbin slide plate.
It did come with a shuttle and two bobbins.
A "list of needles" on the Needlebar.org website says it was made by "Standard Sewing Machines" and takes a 15x1 needle. Would this be an "Early" example of a 15 clone? Any clue as to how old it might be? It does have a nice "hexagonal" arm that I'd never seen before. Remember I'm new to the Sewing Machine collecting habit, I mean hobby.
Can anyone enlighten me on this machine? At least point me in the right direction to start looking?
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04-14-2015, 06:18 PM
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04-14-2015, 06:29 PM
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BTW- nothing to do with the Singer model 15, and not a "clone" in any shape or form.
Interesting that it takes a 15x1 needle, also known as the 705H, or what Singer calls 2020. The Standard machines I have take a different size, Boye 6 (BTW, the 15x1 is also a BOYE 16 needle).
Please post pictures of the attachments - will be interesting to see if they are the ones for Standard machines. Often in the last 100 years, the attachments got switched around and what is now with the machine may not be what came with it long ago.
Interesting that it takes a 15x1 needle, also known as the 705H, or what Singer calls 2020. The Standard machines I have take a different size, Boye 6 (BTW, the 15x1 is also a BOYE 16 needle).
Please post pictures of the attachments - will be interesting to see if they are the ones for Standard machines. Often in the last 100 years, the attachments got switched around and what is now with the machine may not be what came with it long ago.
04-15-2015, 06:59 AM
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Thanks Jon, that is interesting to know. I've got two Standard rotaries, and we already figured out that the class 15 bobbin will work in the rotary machines, so it looks like the 15x1 needle will work too. BTW - anyone reading, though it's a "class 15" bobbin and a 15x1 needle, the numbers aren't related - Almost all Singer machines take the 15x1 needle, and Singer's number is 2020 for it. Most vintage Singers don't use the class 15 bobbin either.
04-15-2015, 05:41 PM
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Very interesting are the origins of how the Singer bobbins and needles got named. The class 15 bobbin and 15x1 needle seems to have got it's start from the Singer Class 15-1 and 15-30 machine. Same with the class 66 bobbin but it used the older 15x1. Singer 206 brought about the 206x13 needle which was also used by later Singer models as well. This sort of makes sense to me though I have no idea what the Class L bobbin stands for. I guess some stuff just needs to be memorized.
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04-15-2015, 06:25 PM
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Dug out some of my Singer needle packets to look at them. I think I've got them in age order - going by the emblem changes.
The oldest does not have the 15x1 on it - just the Singer machines it fits. I know Singer started using teh Green manuals around 1913, and the 127 came out about the same time.
The next one has a size, but the emblem is the same (lady with full dress working a treadle machine). The third shows the woman in a short dress at an electric machine - which changed around 1929.
The next has the same logo, though updated a bit, and Made in USA added. the fifth has the logo updated in 1947, with the asterisks that was added in 1948 that was used for the green manuals until they were discontuned in the mid 50's
the sixth is a later design,
Thelast three are even newer - interestingly - the first of this group has 15x1 and then (2020) and the next newer has 2020 (15x1) on it - also note the name change from Singer Mfg Co. to Singer Company.
The oldest does not have the 15x1 on it - just the Singer machines it fits. I know Singer started using teh Green manuals around 1913, and the 127 came out about the same time.
The next one has a size, but the emblem is the same (lady with full dress working a treadle machine). The third shows the woman in a short dress at an electric machine - which changed around 1929.
The next has the same logo, though updated a bit, and Made in USA added. the fifth has the logo updated in 1947, with the asterisks that was added in 1948 that was used for the green manuals until they were discontuned in the mid 50's
the sixth is a later design,
Thelast three are even newer - interestingly - the first of this group has 15x1 and then (2020) and the next newer has 2020 (15x1) on it - also note the name change from Singer Mfg Co. to Singer Company.
04-16-2015, 08:06 AM
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Cathy,
Those are beautiful. A really nice collection.
I haven't seen most of those before and now you've shown me something else that I want to collect.
I'd like to have a complete collection, mounted under glass in a frame for display.
I promised myself I wouldn't go on eBay again until I at least receive the two 185J's I just bought.
Obviously I need something to slow down my purchases.
Allen
Those are beautiful. A really nice collection.
I haven't seen most of those before and now you've shown me something else that I want to collect.
I'd like to have a complete collection, mounted under glass in a frame for display.
I promised myself I wouldn't go on eBay again until I at least receive the two 185J's I just bought.
Obviously I need something to slow down my purchases.
Allen
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