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Thread: Newcomer, have a German 1955 Phoenix 429 Machine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cecilia S. View Post
    " I have to confess another reservation is that my husband might kill me. He's going out of town Thursday. I could sneak it in then."

    Oh Sheila, so sorry. It was nice knowing you! Do be sure to will your new stitcher to Miriam here. She sold her Phoenix and has missed it sorely. She will be a great home for your Bell after your hubby homicides you in.

    ;-)

    YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    keep me in your will!!!!!!!!!
    Never let a sewing machine know you are in a hurry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheluma View Post
    50 cents a pound. you're hilarious.
    Yes, I might borrow this one: Made me laugh
    Singers: model 12 MOP (1885) Improved Family 29k58 (1939) 44K11 (1921) 201K2, 201K23 206k11 (1950) 222k (1959) 320k2(1959), 15K90, Bernina 530, Pfaff:360 (1959) http://tailororfailure.blogspot.com

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    Okay, I fessed up to hubby and he's okay with it!
    He did say, "But I don't know how you're going to get it here"
    Me: "The big rolling suitcase"
    Hubby: "That suitcase is full of clothes" (Storage)
    Me: "That's okay, I can take the clothes out, but I'll have trouble carrying the suitcase up the stairs"
    Hubby: "Take a taxi!"

    I would marry him again and again.

    Sorry, Miriam, you won't be inheriting my sewing machine after all! Cecilia -- you really crack me up!

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    The $500 Bell sewing machine on ebay. Ended May 29, 2013:
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-BELL...vip=true&rt=nc
    Last edited by Sheluma; 07-17-2013 at 07:04 PM. Reason: clarification

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheluma View Post
    Okay, I fessed up to hubby and he's okay with it!
    He did say, "But I don't know how you're going to get it here"
    Me: "The big rolling suitcase"
    Hubby: "That suitcase is full of clothes" (Storage)
    Me: "That's okay, I can take the clothes out, but I'll have trouble carrying the suitcase up the stairs"
    Hubby: "Take a taxi!"

    I would marry him again and again.

    Sorry, Miriam, you won't be inheriting my sewing machine after all! Cecilia -- you really crack me up!
    Its ok - someone might have to inherit mine... I have two more derelicts coming today... I told DH I bought them for parts and parts are cheaper if they come from my shop than the internet....
    Never let a sewing machine know you are in a hurry.

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    "Okay, I fessed up to hubby and he's okay with it!

    He did say, "But I don't know how you're going to get it here"
    Me: "The big rolling suitcase"
    Hubby: "That suitcase is full of clothes" (Storage)
    Me: "That's okay, I can take the clothes out, but I'll have trouble carrying the suitcase up the stairs"
    Hubby: "Take a taxi!"

    I would marry him again and again."

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    Oh my. Possibly the most romantic thing ever.

    Now go get that Phoenix 429!!!

    ;-)

    p.s. The eBay Bell is shocking - it even has the 429 brand on it. Nothing but the Name Brand is changed. I am horrified at the price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cecilia S. View Post
    Oh my. Possibly the most romantic thing ever.
    I guess I'm into "practical romanticism" (definition: he tolerates my sewing machine hoarding)

    Quote Originally Posted by Cecilia S. View Post
    Now go get that Phoenix 429!!!
    The guy is supposed to answer my questions about whether it has a manual or bobbins. (I don't want to seem to eager lest he think it is a $500 machine ha ha). He has promised to, but said he's been busy and forgot about it. I'll email him and set up a time to get it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cecilia S. View Post
    p.s. The eBay Bell is shocking - it even has the 429 brand on it. Nothing but the Name Brand is changed. I am horrified at the price.
    Actually the faceplate is different. Flat chrome instead of the "streamliner" nose with light switch. Not functional sewing things, though. But "my" Bell doesn't have 429 on it. I'm still thinking that mine might be a 3/4 machine. What did you think of his ad? I was kinda put off by it. A lot of stuff about how his work is so great and others' is not, but not a lot about the machine, or what was included. Also he keyword-spammed by using Pfaff 130 in the title. Against the rules. I wouldn't buy anything from him. His stuff is way overpriced anyway.

    The weird thing about Bell sewing machines -- If you do a search, you'll find a very small machine that is collectible, and a few others. They were made in the USA, and the company was based in the USA. For some reason, Baer and Rempel badged a machine for them. Had Bell given up making their own machines, or was that before they started making their own? A lot of makers badged machines for other companies or stores (a million examples such as Kenmore, Macy's, Gimbles etc.), but I never heard of one sewing machine maker badging for another. I found a little info on Baer and Rempel on needlebar, but there was no mention of Bell. Bell was not in their gallery archives, either. I also didn't find anything on Ismacs about Bell. There's still a lot more research to do.

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    "Actually the faceplate is different. Flat chrome instead of the "streamliner" nose with light switch."

    Nope, actually, it is the same.

    Look at those photos on eBay by Dude Who Charged $700 OBO* for the Bell, and look at mine. Mine has the Roman Nose Lamp. His did, too, until it was removed and --nothing put back in its place--. Perhaps that was done to give it more at-a-glance resemblance to the Pfeffer 130, the name of which he was using to bolster his own price. Notice that that Bell has no lamp at all. None. It really is the identical machine to our $20 429s.

    Correct you are as well, that using Pfeffer 130 in the title as a spammy-search-catch is uncool.



    *That's almost seventeen dollars a pound! Yeesh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cecilia S. View Post
    "Actually the faceplate is different. Flat chrome instead of the "streamliner" nose with light switch."

    Nope, actually, it is the same.

    Look at those photos on eBay by Dude Who Charged $700 OBO* for the Bell, and look at mine. Mine has the Roman Nose Lamp. His did, too, until it was removed and --nothing put back in its place--. Perhaps that was done to give it more at-a-glance resemblance to the Pfeffer 130, the name of which he was using to bolster his own price. Notice that that Bell has no lamp at all. None. It really is the identical machine to our $20 429s.
    I'm confused -- I see a flat chrome faceplate on the ebay Bell. Is that what is behind the "roman nose" on your machine? I was wondering where the lamp was.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cecilia S. View Post
    *That's almost seventeen dollars a pound! Yeesh!
    hee hee. if it were a car it would be $68,000!

    I keep forgetting to ask you...does your Phoenix use standard low shank feet?

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    I see it now -- the chrome on your machine is behind the nose. I didn't notice that before. Now I'm kinda wondering how the lamp wires are connected on your machine -- I guess through the upper hole on the chrome piece? That seller is really a rip-off artist!
    Last edited by Sheluma; 07-18-2013 at 05:42 PM. Reason: clarification

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    Does your Phoenix have a darning foot. The one I had was real neat. The foot was kind of tiny then you swung something down from behind the pressure foot and it did free motion or darning.
    Never let a sewing machine know you are in a hurry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miriam View Post
    Does your Phoenix have a darning foot. The one I had was real neat. The foot was kind of tiny then you swung something down from behind the pressure foot and it did free motion or darning.
    sounds neat! I hope mine comes with some feet.

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    Cecilia, when you have a chance, could you measure a Phoenix bobbin for me? (No rush.) I'm wondering if this one at Jenny's site may fit. They are 11/32" high by 27/32" OD:
    http://shop.sew-classic.com/Bobbins-...k-SCBN9033.htm
    If not there is another possible candidate in her shop.

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    Outside height of bobbin sandwich 9.25 mm
    Inside height of bobbin sandwich: 7.7 mm (Quite sure this does not matter)
    Thickness of sandwich pieces: .6mm (Quite sure this does not matter)
    Outer diameter: 21.5 mm
    Interior diameter: 6mm

    Wow, I measured with a by-eye caliper rule and I am within .05mm of things adding up in the sandwich part of things. I am a wizard. ;-)

    Best of luck.

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    Thank you! I think the Pfaff bobbins might fit. Converting English to metric, the Pfaff are approx. 21.43 mm diameter and 8.73 mm high. The diameter is perfect. The height could be a rounding error, but it's only .52 mm smaller. We Americans are in the dark ages in terms of our units. I've been in "unit conversion hell" my whole life, and it doesn't look like it's going to change any time soon.

    And your wizardry is pretty amazing.

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    Hi - I'm new to the board. I joined entirely because of this one 3 year old thread! I just got a Bell 429 at a flea market ($35) and I'm dying to use it, but smoke blows out of the motor when I run it so I think I'd better replace the motor before getting down to work. The motor on it is a Bell Model 24 1.2 Amp motor (25-75 cycles). I cannot find an original replacement motor and I can't find anything age appropriate at 1.2 Amps. Anyone know whether it matters if I use 1.2 Amp or just go with a standard 1.0 Amp Singer style motor? Also, Sheluma and Cecilia, I don't suppose either of you has posted the manual for the Bell/Phoenix 429 anywhere? Finally, my machine came with only one basic foot and one old needle. Have you figured out what comparable machine's parts to hunt down on ebay to ensure proper fit? Any advice or info would be much appreciated.

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    There may be more info on "Victorian sweat shop"
    I have a Phoenix 82. Nice machine.
    Never let a sewing machine know you are in a hurry.

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    Hi MaxoMoxx, I've been away from this board for a long time and just now saw your post. I, too, originally joined for this thread! But, alas, I did not buy the Bell sewing machine. I'd love to see a picture of yours. Did you find anything about needles and feet? I'm sure you've figured it all out by now, but if not, there are some good resources on the web for needle types and sizes. And it may be possible to rehab your motor. there's some good info in this blog:
    http://vssmb.blogspot.com/2012/01/co...ted-motor.html

    Hello Miriam! I'm going to check out the Victorian sweat shop.

    Sheila
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    On Victorian sweat shop there are people from other countries where Phoenix machines are common.
    Mine uses standard needles but I don't know anything about your model. On mine you HAVE to have the bobbin threaded just so - don't miss that little hole on the top.
    Never let a sewing machine know you are in a hurry.

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