It picks up the bobbin thread and looks like it's going to make stitches and then it sort of draws the bobbin thread up through the eye of the needle or something. You can go for a good inch or more before noticing there are no stitches and before this thing starts to happen with the thread looping up. The thread doesn't break and it doesn't get tangled in the bobbin case. It's nothing I've ever seen before and therefore I'm stumped!

The other manual I have says to use a system 1738 needle with the long groove facing to the front.
I just happened to have some Schmetz needles that have this number on the packet, but they are round shank. There was a giant (denim weight) flat shank needle in it when I got it but we suspected that this needle wasn't right, however changing the needles hasn't seemed to help the problem, nor has it made the problem worse.

Any clues?

Could he have in his mind that you want to buy the machine too. I wouldn't give him the time of day. He thinks he sees a good deal. wow!

So sorry, no way would I pay hime that much for it.

What does your machine look like? I would be interested in seeing pictures of it. Thanks, Amy

Hi Amy
I have a photo album here - you can also search this forum for Phoenix 250 and see all of my previous posts about the machine, including the story behind finding it. Thanks for your interest :)

Try this web site. They say it is a free download for the manuel. Hope this works for you. www.gobookee.com/klr-1996-service-manual/

It looks very similar to a Pfaff 130 without the zigzag capability. Nice!

I'll wait to get a personal endorsement on this one... any site that appears to have exactly what you want - says that it's "free" - then asks for your credit card details is giving me alarm bells!! :shock:

The zig zag capability would be even nicer!! ;)

Needle must be in right. So the machine doesn't do zig zag? or could but doesn't do zig zag yet? The thread breaking can be from the tension not set right or a ton of other things. Is the thread flowing smoothly? Some times the newer threads don't go off the spool without a little hitch or something. There is a thread on here about someone else with a messed up tension - http://www.quiltingboard.com/vintage...e-t218411.html a lot of good advice on there. When you thread it can you pull thread through easily with the presser foot up? down should have a bit of drag?