White Rotary
 

Found this White Rotary machine today. Know nothing about it and looking for advise. It had the bobbin cover plate and bobbin case. Needs a belt. Has the cloth covered wiring. Knee lever. Brown crackle finish. No idea of its age. Any info appreciated. Did not find a model number on it but I probably didn't know where to look for it. The wheel turns freely.

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I believe the serial number is behind the pillar below the motor. I'm guessing that it will start with 41X or 43 making the model number the first digits.

This machine does not use a belt and is driven by a rubber wheel on the end of the motor. There is usually a flat spot from resting on the hand wheel. Some have filed them down or sew-classic.com has the part.

The hand wheel is rotated opposite what most of us are used to, going in a clockwise direction when viewed from the end.

You can find more information on this thread https://www.quiltingboard.com/vintag...e-t179021.html and how to load the bobbin can be found at http://www.quiltingboard.com/vintage...c-t172420.html

My 41x xxxxx was dated to 1940 and my 43-xxxxxx had a 1955 dated guarantee.

Janey - Neat people never make the exciting discoveries I do.

I have the identical, a gift from a client. I love the sound it makes, much different from belt driven. Although I was probably driving it with a flat tire.
I'll look and see if the manual is specific to the machine or generic.

If specific I'll run a copy for you if you need it.

Many Domestics look very similar without the t-shirt slide.

Janey/John and Kalama, I went back to Goodwill and purchased the machine after church today. It is in a cabinet and it was priced for the wooden cabinet not a sewing machine at all. Cost $16.99. No attachments or manual or anything except lots of dust and dust bunnies. Not sure if I got a deal or not. It runs although not with fabric under the pressure foot. I believe the bobbin tension is too tight so I need to work on it some. Definitely needs cleaning and the cabinet needs to be refinished. I found the serial number just where Janey and John said it would be. it begins with 45xxx.
Kalama, I would greatly appreciate if you would send me a copy of the manual. I can PM you with my addy or email addy whichever is easiest for you. Thank you for the offer.
Here she is.... (no name yet. lol)
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I'm hoping someone here will walk me through the process of refurbishing the machine. I have dusted and picked out dust and lint, applied a little sewing machine oil but that's it for now. Do I need to be putting some special grease on the under parts? Yikes! thanks for you assistance.

I studied the tutorial on loading the bobbin case but discovered this bobbin case looks different than the one shown in the tutorial. Here are pictures of mine. Do I have the correct case? If so, does anyone know the correct way to thread the bobbin thread? I have tried to thread it but when I try to sew, the thread just punches up under the fabric and no stitches are made. I looked again at the serial number and I DO have a model 43 not 45. Funky looking 3. lol
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I feel like I am out of my league here.

These machines are sewing machine oiled and not greased.

Until you get manual, here are some more links that might help.
http://www.singerco.com/uploads/down...c-book-13-.pdf a similar manual
http://ismacs.net/white/manuals/white-rotary.pdf another similar manual but better oiling instructions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9eiKXCjv80 for threading and is linked in https://www.quiltingboard.com/vintag...t264590-2.html
if really ambitious> https://sewwhatman.wordpress.com/201...-drive-wheels/
and another thread about a similar machine https://www.quiltingboard.com/vintag...a-t277366.html

Another thing you have probably already noticed is that these machines take top clamp feet. There are lots of this type of feet, but you want to be careful as they have different dimensions.

The nose plate is different from many machines and I know there have been some that have had undone them and unable to get them back correctly. Although, I'm thinking that the tension might need to be cleaned and adjusted, but unsure of where to find info on that. I'm kind of curious about when you say "It runs although not with fabric under the pressure foot." it might be tension, stitch length or the wrong foot?

Another thing about the flat spot -- you might want to move the motor away from the machine and stick something in between when you aren't using the machine. Some have put batting, or a dowel or a pencil or even a wooden spoon. I like the idea of something above the machine so you remember you have to remove it before sewing.

Have fun getting it sewing again.

Janey - Neat people never make the exciting discoveries I do.

I forgot the links for the cabinet -

https://www.quiltingboard.com/vintag...y-t289391.html

http://www.quiltingboard.com/tutoria...s-t109859.html

Janey - Neat people never make the exciting discoveries I do.

Yours is just a tad different than mine but it threads the same - Ours don't have that part that the thread goes between two pieces and out the top. Bring the thread to the other side from the last picture and install the bobbin case by pinching top and bottom and listen for the click.

My guess is that it isn't going through the upper tension properly. It is kind of a pain to get it right. I have mine threaded with green thread. I probably should thread with a brighter color and take a picture. There is a notch "A" that the thread kind of snaps into after down under the tension plate hook from front to back. Pull up into spring and back behind and into notch "A" to prevent looping of stitches under fabric. It is behind the wire type thing so it isn't very easy to see.

Bring bobbin thread up and hold top thread and bobbin thread to the back. Maybe about three or four inches behind.

Janey - Neat people never make the exciting discoveries I do.

Alvastitcher,

I just wanted to tell you that I enjoyed the picture of the bobbin with the White in the background

I learned to sew on 1 like this many yrs ago. Still have the cabinet but not the machine. Thanks for the memory.

Whoohoo! I have beautiful stitches! It helps to thread the machine and bobbin properly. Lol. I have been cleaning the chrome parts this morning and removing the parts I think I can put back on. In doing so I discovered that the machine was probably owned at some point in time to a smoker since every part I clean is leaving a very dirty brown stain on the rag. But onward and upward! I am just glad that it makes beautiful stitches. Another question....I went over the brown wrinkle finish with machine oil but in light of what crud is coming off the chrome, what would be the best cleaner for the rest of the machine? I saw Windex mentioned and soap and water. There is currently no flaking of the finish and I don't want to clean with anything which will make it begin to flake. Sorry for all the questions. I am having fun getting her (?) in shape again. Maybe Goodie is a good name for her since I got her at Goodwill. Whatcha think?

:thumbup: Goodie it should be! Congratulations.

Indeed, it does help to have threaded properly.

John used Windex before I knew about it. So far, so good, but that isn't my first choice. I think wiping most down with sewing machine oil is just fine.

Janey - Neat people never make the exciting discoveries I do.

Not sure if I should start a new thread or if I can add on to this one. I'll try this one first. I started this thread last July and have just now starting refinishing the cabinet. It was just too damaged to leave as it was. We have removed all parts and pieces and the stripping and sanding had begun. When ready to put back together, should I purchase a new cord and not use the cloth covered one that was stapled inside for the knee pedal? I want to get this machine in the cabinet and begin using her! LOL

They have new cloth covered wire if you want. I would imagine it would depend on the condition of the wire and personal preference for type if you want to rewire.

Janey - Neat people never make the exciting discoveries I do.

I'd start a new thread if you want to discuss refinishing.

bkay

I think it is fine here, since it is about the 'cord' on the same machine that started this thread. Also I like to see the progress about the same machine in the same thread. Try http://www.sundialwire.com/

Janey - Neat people never make the exciting discoveries I do.