Singer 411G, Singer 401G and a Singer 401A Slant-O-Matic Singer machines
07-29-2013, 04:39 PM
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Well, in most cases, I'd prefer to get the machine uncleaned anyway. That way I know they didn't put something really nasty on it to clean it, and didn't oil it with 3 in 1 or something.
Their idea of clean is rarely up to my standards anyway. By the time I'm done with them, my machines don't dare get dirty
Here are a few shots of the 431G
Assembled:
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"Converted"
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Inside the cubby:
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Another interesting bit of trivia:
The 431G is the only machine of this series that I know of that comes with a darning foot as standard equipment. And it's my favorite darning foot for the slants. I use it to FMQ on the 301.
Yes, I can FMQ on the 431, though most people will tell you you can't on this type of slant. It's harder to do than on a 301, or a low shank vertical foot machine, but I can without skipped stitches for some reason. A few others have said they could too, but I don't recall who. That said, it's far from my favorite machine to FMQ on, so I don't bother anymore.
Their idea of clean is rarely up to my standards anyway. By the time I'm done with them, my machines don't dare get dirty
Here are a few shots of the 431G
Assembled:
[ATTACH=CONFIG]426992[/ATTACH]
"Converted"
[ATTACH=CONFIG]426993[/ATTACH]
Inside the cubby:
[ATTACH=CONFIG]426994[/ATTACH]
Another interesting bit of trivia:
The 431G is the only machine of this series that I know of that comes with a darning foot as standard equipment. And it's my favorite darning foot for the slants. I use it to FMQ on the 301.
Yes, I can FMQ on the 431, though most people will tell you you can't on this type of slant. It's harder to do than on a 301, or a low shank vertical foot machine, but I can without skipped stitches for some reason. A few others have said they could too, but I don't recall who. That said, it's far from my favorite machine to FMQ on, so I don't bother anymore.
07-29-2013, 09:55 PM
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Plume -- Did you remove the needle plate and clean under there? Was lint or thread down there causing your problem? I'm glad it's working better! If you haven't tossed the felt already, trace it on a piece of paper first. That will make it a little easier to cut a new one.
Tammi -- What a sweet story of your kitties! The jumpsuit thing was genius. Obviously your vet was wrong and you did the right thing.
Why is it hard to FMQ on the 431? Does that apply to all the 400 series? Is the elevator plate a problem? I know of two darning feet for the 401 -- 161162 which has a metal foot, and 161596 with a plastic foot. Is your favorite one of these, or a different one?
About needles -- I'm confused about the ball point/stretch needles. On the vintagesingers yahoo group I read that the Singer yellow band and Schmetz stretch needles are offset so that the needle is closer to the hook, and these needles shouldn't be used in an older machine because they can hit the hook. The story I read is that the T&S or Stylist (can't remember which) has a bobbin bracket that can't be adjusted. When these machines came out, sewing lingerie was in vogue, and the machines would skip stitches on tricot and light weight knits. So, because the machines couldn't be adjusted, Singer came out with the offset needle, and Schmetz followed suit with the "stretch" needle. Jenny at sew classic also wrote something somewhere about this (if I find it I'll link to it.)
I've been using yellow band needles in the 401 and I won't anymore. But I'm wondering -- why would they still be making offset needles now that the T&S and Stylist are no longer "state of the art". Also, what is the difference between a ball point and a stretch needle?
Here are a couple of pages about needles. They don't answer the offset question, but are very helpful:
http://www.sewmamasew.com/2009/06/se...o-choose-them/
http://www.joann.com/static/project/0704/PA00223.pdf
Tammi -- What a sweet story of your kitties! The jumpsuit thing was genius. Obviously your vet was wrong and you did the right thing.
Why is it hard to FMQ on the 431? Does that apply to all the 400 series? Is the elevator plate a problem? I know of two darning feet for the 401 -- 161162 which has a metal foot, and 161596 with a plastic foot. Is your favorite one of these, or a different one?
About needles -- I'm confused about the ball point/stretch needles. On the vintagesingers yahoo group I read that the Singer yellow band and Schmetz stretch needles are offset so that the needle is closer to the hook, and these needles shouldn't be used in an older machine because they can hit the hook. The story I read is that the T&S or Stylist (can't remember which) has a bobbin bracket that can't be adjusted. When these machines came out, sewing lingerie was in vogue, and the machines would skip stitches on tricot and light weight knits. So, because the machines couldn't be adjusted, Singer came out with the offset needle, and Schmetz followed suit with the "stretch" needle. Jenny at sew classic also wrote something somewhere about this (if I find it I'll link to it.)
I've been using yellow band needles in the 401 and I won't anymore. But I'm wondering -- why would they still be making offset needles now that the T&S and Stylist are no longer "state of the art". Also, what is the difference between a ball point and a stretch needle?
Here are a couple of pages about needles. They don't answer the offset question, but are very helpful:
http://www.sewmamasew.com/2009/06/se...o-choose-them/
http://www.joann.com/static/project/0704/PA00223.pdf
Last edited by Sheluma; 07-29-2013 at 10:05 PM.
07-29-2013, 10:21 PM
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Tisch, Congratulations on your new machine. Your English is great. I wish I could speak Dutch. I'd like to visit Holland or Italy and buy a 431 while I'm there. In case you don't have the manual already, here are two sources. One might be better quality than the other:
http://www.singerco.com/uploads/download/1306_431.pdf
http://www.ismacs.net/singer_sewing_machine_company/manuals/431.pdf
http://www.singerco.com/uploads/download/1306_431.pdf
http://www.ismacs.net/singer_sewing_machine_company/manuals/431.pdf
07-30-2013, 02:58 AM
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@ArchaicArvane Yes i have that foot. The seller said it that he had send it to us with all the accessories that it originalie came with.
I have never Quilted something but i realy want to! What is a good not to big project to start with?
@Sheluma Thnx! It came with a manual but there was no tekst in it just pictures. Dutch doesn't sound pretty i don't really like it hihi.
Not shure what happend but the letters where really BIG!!!
I have never Quilted something but i realy want to! What is a good not to big project to start with?
@Sheluma Thnx! It came with a manual but there was no tekst in it just pictures. Dutch doesn't sound pretty i don't really like it hihi.
Not shure what happend but the letters where really BIG!!!
Last edited by Tisch; 07-30-2013 at 03:02 AM. Reason: Letters to big
07-30-2013, 03:14 AM
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Tish — foto's a.j.b... Kinderen kunnen wachten, wij niet
Tammi —
Which part is the "post" please?! Also, I oiled/greased all other parts too at the same time (top + side), this plus the rocking probably did it.
I totally understand! Great pictures & machine btw.
Sheila —
Yes, I had cleaned under the needle plate the 1st time already, there was a lot of lint & thread & what I thought was hair and turned out to be the felt, lol. But the tension only got better when I added more oil & grease & rocked the machine! The felt is still in the garbage bin, I'll do that, thanks!!!
•••
I just got an email from my friend who brought me my 401 & table from Milan in his car. He's currently in France, to empty out his dad's house. Check out what he discovered there! He wants to sell it, I told him NO WAY. I told him to clean it up & offer it to his wife, knowing her, she would love it too. I hope he listens to me...
[ATTACH=CONFIG]427090[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]427091[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]427092[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]427093[/ATTACH]
Tammi —
Plume, I wonder if the post on your 401 is a little too far out from the body, and rocking it back to clean it might have reseated the disks and given them less play. It's a guess. Technically oiling / greasing the under bits shouldn't have anything to do with the upper tension.
I'd prefer to get the machine uncleaned anyway. That way I know they didn't put something really nasty on it to clean it, and didn't oil it with 3 in 1 or something
Sheila —
Plume --Did you remove the needle plate and clean under there? Was lint or thread down there causing your problem? I'm glad it's working better! If you haven't tossed the felt already, trace it on a piece of paper first. That will make it a little easier to cut a new one.
•••
I just got an email from my friend who brought me my 401 & table from Milan in his car. He's currently in France, to empty out his dad's house. Check out what he discovered there! He wants to sell it, I told him NO WAY. I told him to clean it up & offer it to his wife, knowing her, she would love it too. I hope he listens to me...
[ATTACH=CONFIG]427090[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]427091[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]427092[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]427093[/ATTACH]
07-30-2013, 03:23 AM
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07-30-2013, 11:39 AM
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Oke lets see if i can put some foto's on here.
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An some pics off me Kohler in his cabinet.
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[ATTACH=CONFIG]427173[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]427175[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]427172[/ATTACH]
An some pics off me Kohler in his cabinet.
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07-30-2013, 11:55 AM
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Ok it worked. I got the Kohler about 3 months ago i was talking to my hubby that i wanted a vintage sewing machine for display for over a year but always tought they were verry expensive( now i know they don't have to be). About 3 months ago my mom started sewing again and just bij a random search for bobins for her machine we found a cabinet that was alterd to fit her pfaff hobbymatic 919, i told my mom wow that is a cool cabinet. I would love someting like that! So i searched on marktplaats for one and found my kohler in a cabinet for 20 euro's and is was only 4 km from my hous, i just had to have it! I bought it not knowing you could still sew on it! it can do treadle and has a little motor on it.
The 431 G was found by my mom the selller was selling 2 and she asked me if i want the other one. So i looked a bit online and knew i really wanted it. I could not find a whole lot about it but is looked really cool. I'm so happy i got it!
Wow that is one big story sorry for that!
The 431 G was found by my mom the selller was selling 2 and she asked me if i want the other one. So i looked a bit online and knew i really wanted it. I could not find a whole lot about it but is looked really cool. I'm so happy i got it!
Wow that is one big story sorry for that!
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