Did anyone else read this in McCall's mag
08-15-2010, 12:10 AM
#101
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I agree! I have found that by sharing ideas and learning from looking at other beautiful quilts that I can spend more on the fabric that I LOVE,
Plus the few magazines that my friends and I have we share.
For many years I worked in a print shop,Copy right laws do stand up in court.
Christina (Chrissy)
Plus the few magazines that my friends and I have we share.
For many years I worked in a print shop,Copy right laws do stand up in court.
Christina (Chrissy)
08-15-2010, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by JJs
Another question:
If these designers and magazines are so gung-ho on controlling YOUR quilt and what you can do with it after YOU make it, that should be clearly stated with each and every pattern in the magazine...
For instance, the aforementioned McCalls - there are patterns in there so why not put the copyright notice right there along with the designers name???? On page 64 is a quilt called "Rosie's Wreaths", designed by Pat Sloan... tells you how to make the quilt, tells you how much of each fabric you need, gives you the patterns - NO WHERE does it say, oh by the way, after you make this quilt you can't show it to anybody or that we are going to keep track of you and your quilt for ever...
On page 34 is a MAPLE LEAF quilt - "designed" by Renee Peterson - You think???? Maple leaf has been around FOREVER...
Same thing for the quilt on page 26, or the pinwheels on page 20 or the Snowballs and 9 patch on page 46 - oh wait, they changed the name to "Swing Dance" - and now they are claiming this oh so traditional quilt design???????????
Frankly the whole thing is getting stupider by the minute.
If somebody comes up with a new, fantastic design (and I've seen some at shows) with a new idea on how to combine colors or something, I can see where they should be credited.
But this taking old standard squares and sticking a quilt in a magazine and then claiming the 'design' is beyond belief.
Especially since the squares used in the quilts I just mentioned are ALL IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN and in the EQ programs AND EQ's copyright info says you can use those squares to your heart's content....
sheesh
If these designers and magazines are so gung-ho on controlling YOUR quilt and what you can do with it after YOU make it, that should be clearly stated with each and every pattern in the magazine...
For instance, the aforementioned McCalls - there are patterns in there so why not put the copyright notice right there along with the designers name???? On page 64 is a quilt called "Rosie's Wreaths", designed by Pat Sloan... tells you how to make the quilt, tells you how much of each fabric you need, gives you the patterns - NO WHERE does it say, oh by the way, after you make this quilt you can't show it to anybody or that we are going to keep track of you and your quilt for ever...
On page 34 is a MAPLE LEAF quilt - "designed" by Renee Peterson - You think???? Maple leaf has been around FOREVER...
Same thing for the quilt on page 26, or the pinwheels on page 20 or the Snowballs and 9 patch on page 46 - oh wait, they changed the name to "Swing Dance" - and now they are claiming this oh so traditional quilt design???????????
Frankly the whole thing is getting stupider by the minute.
If somebody comes up with a new, fantastic design (and I've seen some at shows) with a new idea on how to combine colors or something, I can see where they should be credited.
But this taking old standard squares and sticking a quilt in a magazine and then claiming the 'design' is beyond belief.
Especially since the squares used in the quilts I just mentioned are ALL IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN and in the EQ programs AND EQ's copyright info says you can use those squares to your heart's content....
sheesh
First of all, what's the big idea of using a cutesy cartoon of a quilter in prison! Talk about scare tactics.
Secondly, referring to the quilts shown and patterns included in this magazine - who and HOW did the magazine perform due diligence prior to publishing these quilts and patterns to ensure that they weren't infringing on someone else's copyright? Like the person (probable a century or more ago) who created the maple leaf pattern? I certainly agree that, as beautiful as Renee Peterson's maple leaf quilt is, she certainly didn't create the maple leaf pattern. Her use of fabric was unique? So is ours. What makes her quilt copyrightable? No offense to Renee Peterson - I think her quilt is gorgeous and I'm only using hers as an example because we all recognize the maple leaf pattern.
I'm making two baby quilts for a set of twins soon to be born. I'm making them in the D9P. Do I have to tell the mom that she'd better not take the babies out of her home wrapped in these quilts in the event someone else sees the D9P pattern in the quilts and threatens to prosecute? And God forbid she take the twins on an airplane wrapped in these quilts - imagine the huge numbers of people that might see the 'stolen' pattern then!
I'm afraid that this really reminds me of our Homeowner's Association when this neighborhood was first built. I planted flowers in the front yard and received a nasty letter saying I had to remove them because I didn't seek approval from the HOA for the COLOR choice! When people who don't usually feel powerful get a little power it goes to their heads.
Rules are needed, but power trips aren't.
08-15-2010, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by garysgal
So now I have a question about EQ7- do you have to have EQ6 first? the system requirements said you have to have EQ6 before-I forget the rest of what is required from the EQ6 to install EQ7. Does anyone know? If I buy the EQ7 I don't want to have to buy the EQ6 as well-or is this something you have to update every year or so??
http://www.electricquilt.com/Shop/EQ7/EQ7.asp
08-15-2010, 11:21 AM
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I saw a quilt picture on a very popular quilt blog this morning. The blogger showed pictures step by step how she made it. It is the same pattern that is in one of the newer quilt books out now. The book was not listed nor was the pattern designer. The blogger had a different name for her quilt. Instructions are not copyrighted so I can use her instructions and make this quilt and display it, sell it, write my own instructions and copy them all I want. What's the difference?
08-15-2010, 11:40 AM
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I get tired of all the fuss over copyright. Unless the pattern states that I can't sell, show or give it away, then I do what I want. I don't make anything that says I can't sell, show or give it away. If they say I can use the pattern for my own personal use, then I sell, show or give it away -- that's MY personal use. I always have believed the statements mean we're not to take the exact pattern instructions, copy them and then try to sell them to make money. THAT would tick me off as a designer.
There is VERY little designs nowadays that are original in quilting world. The creative quilting would be the exception.
Meanwhile, I've said this before, if they want to try to get $$ off me, good luck....it's not there. I spend it on quilting supplies! :mrgreen:
There is VERY little designs nowadays that are original in quilting world. The creative quilting would be the exception.
Meanwhile, I've said this before, if they want to try to get $$ off me, good luck....it's not there. I spend it on quilting supplies! :mrgreen:
08-15-2010, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by cattailsquilts
Originally Posted by garysgal
So now I have a question about EQ7- do you have to have EQ6 first? the system requirements said you have to have EQ6 before-I forget the rest of what is required from the EQ6 to install EQ7. Does anyone know? If I buy the EQ7 I don't want to have to buy the EQ6 as well-or is this something you have to update every year or so??
http://www.electricquilt.com/Shop/EQ7/EQ7.asp
08-16-2010, 01:15 PM
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I canceled McCalls Quilting and most other quilting magazines if we can't use the patterns why pay for the magazine I do like entering things in the fair but why are the copyrights only for us do you remember Stack and Whack by Bethany Reynolds then along comes someone who tweeks it called One Block Wonder now I see a new one out by Sarah Newhew tweeked into a star there is lots of that kind going on but when we buy a magazine we cannot even inter in a fair
I'm getting burned out on this quilting thing
I'm getting burned out on this quilting thing
08-16-2010, 03:24 PM
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This is also being discussed in this thread:
http://www.quiltingboard.com/t-55879-14.htm#1440609
Just as JJs had pointed out in her comments, it comes down to what is original design. I mentioned in the thread link above that I am tired of designers laying claim to patterns. Many of these designs are in the public domain. What are the elements of an original design? How can some of these designs be 'original' when they have been copied from many sources. Is it because they have taken that pattern and recently published it in a book or wrote an article in a magazine with a sample pattern using a public domian design?
Just walk through the churches in Europe and you will see every pattern/design imaginable in the tiles, stained glass, frescoes and the mosaics that you now see in quilting. These master artisans made these beautiful designs centuries ago.
http://www.quiltingboard.com/t-55879-14.htm#1440609
Just as JJs had pointed out in her comments, it comes down to what is original design. I mentioned in the thread link above that I am tired of designers laying claim to patterns. Many of these designs are in the public domain. What are the elements of an original design? How can some of these designs be 'original' when they have been copied from many sources. Is it because they have taken that pattern and recently published it in a book or wrote an article in a magazine with a sample pattern using a public domian design?
Just walk through the churches in Europe and you will see every pattern/design imaginable in the tiles, stained glass, frescoes and the mosaics that you now see in quilting. These master artisans made these beautiful designs centuries ago.
08-18-2010, 06:02 PM
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Has anyone actually asked the designer for her/his permission? Was it difficult?
I thought I was paying for the patterns in the magazines I've been subscribing to for so many years. Guess not- am I paying for the pictures and ads?
I agree may have to fall back on my imagination/creativity such as it is, LOL.
I thought I was paying for the patterns in the magazines I've been subscribing to for so many years. Guess not- am I paying for the pictures and ads?
I agree may have to fall back on my imagination/creativity such as it is, LOL.
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