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Thread: Boy jailed for having a permanent marker!

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    Now this is rediculous!!!! A teacher saw a boy with a permanent marker in school, called the police and had him arrested!!!! Apparently there's an obscure law about permanent markers and graffitti!!!!!

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    OMLord!! That is going just a bit to far!! I understand the whole graffiti thing but that was rediculous! Can you imagine how the poor little boy felt! I bet he was scared to death! What is the world coming too these days! Well I know but won't go there. :evil: It's just awful!

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    What a shame!

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    As a teacher she could have handled this better.

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    that's what happens with "Zero tolerance" - you probably can not even bring a vitamin pill to school anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptquilts
    that's what happens with "Zero tolerance" - you probably can not even bring a vitamin pill to school anymore.
    No you can't. My SIL just retired from teaching. Her classroom was clear across the way from the main office. (a playground in between the two). One of her students had asthma. The administration said she could WALK to the nurse's station to get her asthma meds. If that were my child I'd be suing to get their attention --- they put that child in a life threatening situation. And I've heard of girls being expelled for having aspirin and Midol!!!!!!! I would have missed more school than being in it had I not had one of the two!

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    When Anthony was in Middle School. I was asked to come in and talk to the school counselor. Apparentanly Anthony was "doodling" on an already graded paper after he finished a reading assingment.

    Her claim........he was practicing devil worshiping.
    Anthony's doodle............a bunch of monsters and dragons.

    I left the room laughing, I told her to call me if he smacks someone.

    According to the aticle, he was writing on a piece of paper, which "bled" onto the desk itself. I guess bleed throughs are now graffiti.
    Unless he was actually "tagging" the desk, she was out of line. IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by amandasgramma
    Quote Originally Posted by ptquilts
    that's what happens with "Zero tolerance" - you probably can not even bring a vitamin pill to school anymore.
    No you can't. My SIL just retired from teaching. Her classroom was clear across the way from the main office. (a playground in between the two). One of her students had asthma. The administration said she could WALK to the nurse's station to get her asthma meds. If that were my child I'd be suing to get their attention --- they put that child in a life threatening situation. And I've heard of girls being expelled for having aspirin and Midol!!!!!!! I would have missed more school than being in it had I not had one of the two!
    My oldest daughter had asthma, while in school they too told me she had to keep her inhaler in the nurses office. I told them, the hell with you, she could die before she reached the nurses office. And who is to say the nurse would or wouldn't be in there.


    BTW, teachers hated me.

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    What has this world come to? Graffitti is something to worry about when we have gun toting students?

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    I'm not posting this to cause a debate-just another side of the story.

    I think there is more to this story then we have the facts on. This happened in a middle school. There is NO reason to have this permanent marker there. The students know the policy, yet this boy was still using the marker. He tried to hide the marker when the teacher asked for it. Hiding the making and not willing to give it to her was probably a huge Red flag to the teacher. If the marker had "bleed" through the paper it means the desk was marked up. Somebody will have to scrub that desk clean and you can bet it will not be the custodian, it will be the teacher. It should have been the student.
    If you have ever been up close and personal with the door to your classroom, a bathroom that will be closed until it can be repainted, the walls of your school, the floor, or your car covered with filthy hurtful permanent words you might think differently.
    Perhaps this could have been handled in a different way and we really don't know all the facts. I'm just sharing another side to this problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dellareya
    I think there is more to this story then we have the facts on. This happened in a middle school. There is NO reason to have this permanent marker there. The student knew the policy, yet this boy was still using the marker. He tried to hide the marker when the teacher asked for it. Hiding the making and not willing to give it to her was probably a huge Red flag to the teacher. If the marker had "bleed" through the paper it means the desk was marked up. Somebody will have to scrub that desk clean and you can bet it will not be the custodian, it will be the teacher. It should have been the student.
    If you have ever been up close and personal with the door to your classroom, a bathroom that will be closed until it can be repainted, the walls of your school, the floor, or your car covered with filthy hurtful permanent words you might think differently.
    Perhaps this could have been handled in a different way and we really don't know all the facts. I'm just sharing another side to this problem.
    when someone in the school I went to had banned objects (sling shots in those days), they were taken away....and given back at the end of the school year. You didn't see the total disrespect for schools that you see now. I believe students have lost respect for schools, teachers, administration ---they see the DUMB moves made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chasing Hawk
    Quote Originally Posted by amandasgramma
    Quote Originally Posted by ptquilts
    that's what happens with "Zero tolerance" - you probably can not even bring a vitamin pill to school anymore.
    No you can't. My SIL just retired from teaching. Her classroom was clear across the way from the main office. (a playground in between the two). One of her students had asthma. The administration said she could WALK to the nurse's station to get her asthma meds. If that were my child I'd be suing to get their attention --- they put that child in a life threatening situation. And I've heard of girls being expelled for having aspirin and Midol!!!!!!! I would have missed more school than being in it had I not had one of the two!
    My oldest daughter had asthma, while in school they too told me she had to keep her inhaler in the nurses office. I told them, the hell with you, she could die before she reached the nurses office. And who is to say the nurse would or wouldn't be in there.


    BTW, teachers hated me.
    Me, too.......Unfortunately for the teachers my children had, I was the granddaughter of a teacher. I was allowed in the teacher's rooms, at school with the teachers and in many homes. I know when BS is being handed down. Good for you telling the school that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chasing Hawk
    Quote Originally Posted by amandasgramma
    Quote Originally Posted by ptquilts
    that's what happens with "Zero tolerance" - you probably can not even bring a vitamin pill to school anymore.
    No you can't. My SIL just retired from teaching. Her classroom was clear across the way from the main office. (a playground in between the two). One of her students had asthma. The administration said she could WALK to the nurse's station to get her asthma meds. If that were my child I'd be suing to get their attention --- they put that child in a life threatening situation. And I've heard of girls being expelled for having aspirin and Midol!!!!!!! I would have missed more school than being in it had I not had one of the two!
    My oldest daughter had asthma, while in school they too told me she had to keep her inhaler in the nurses office. I told them, the hell with you, she could die before she reached the nurses office. And who is to say the nurse would or wouldn't be in there.


    BTW, teachers hated me.
    I did that too. Then I went out and got three letters from prominent asthma specialists, went to the school board and let them have it. I can't figure out what shocked them more, that I was a teacher in their district, or as a parent I was willing to stand up for my child and several others in their schools. You should have seen their faces.

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    You know, there is a problem here and it isn't the student. What happened with having a teacher and the principal handling this problem in connection with his parents. Every day there are problems for the police that keep them busy on bad stuff like guns not permanent markers.

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    somewhere else on the news some boys got in trouble for giving out very small plastic wrapped candy canes at school. "they could be sharpened to a point by mouth and used as a weapon". Who's planet do those people live on? so much for Christmas spirit!!

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    Maybe the boy tried to hide it because he should have been doing his work and not doodling. Are the students given a student handbook that states no permanent markers are allowed? None of us know the story from all sides.

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    QUOTE: "My SIL just retired from teaching. Her classroom was clear across the way from the main office. (a playground in between the two). One of her students had asthma. The administration said she could WALK to the nurse's station to get her asthma meds. If that were my child I'd be suing to get their attention --- they put that child in a life threatening situation."

    When my son was in junior high he carried a rescue inhaler for his asthma and a teacher took it from him saying he had to leave it on her desk EVEN THOUGH we all the proper documentation in the office for him to carry it at all times. I called and complained and she did it again. Met with the principal and he said it would not happen again. Well, the third time he had an attack and the inhaler was gone (suppossedly stolen by another student)...long story short...they called an ambulance and he ended up in the hospital. When I left the hospital I headed straight to the superintendent's office. No appointment? Can't see him? Fine, my attorney will contact you...so they made time. I told him the situation and said if my child had permanent damage I would be suing the school district because the situation was not corrected the first few times. My goal was not to sue the district but to get a bull-headed person(teacher) to understand the severity of her actions. I made it clear I did not want my son transferred out of her class but she or any other staff member was NEVER to take his inhaler from him again. My son was out of school for a week because of her actions but thankfully he was okay. It makes me angry and gives me the chills when I hear stories like your sister's....it's not something to take lightly when a child has asthma.

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    Pineneedles4 -- my SIL was a teacher for 25 yrs. She says things have changed so much -- that their hands are tied. Teaching was no longer fun or enjoyable. I know she raised hell a few times and only because she had tenier did she keep her job. More teachers, parents, and authorized people need to raise holy hell instead of sitting by and letting the ignorants make the rules! Yes, this boy may have been trying to hide it because he knew he was in the wrong. And to call out the police, as someone said who have more important things to tend to, is ludicrous!

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    I remember those asthma days and school -- DS 2 had severe asthma and was able to take needles and adrenilin to the school nurse office. He gave himself the shots in the secretaries office as the nurse office was usually unmanned and the principal was chicken to do it.

    The alternative was to call the ambulance and that would have been "too disruptive" for the junior high. He did have other inhalers also. The down size to the inhalers was that some kids kept trying to steal them to get high.

    For mild attacks he just lay on the floor until it passed. It is scary for everyone involved. Fortunate puberty eased the problem.

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    I should have mentioned that I work in education. I was a classroom teacher and an assistant principal. I now work as a trainer of teachers providing one-on-one training to improve their skills. I love my job, I love children and quite honestly...I love teachers, most of them have hearts of gold. But, having said that, there are always a few that quite honestly should not be in education and others who, through lack of knowledge, do more damage than good to children. Times have changed and unfortunately school districts have had to go to the 'zero-tolerance' policy for the protection of other students. I think it's sad when teachers throw common sense out the window such in the case of the child with the marker or are too ignorant to make intelligent judgement calls. I guess if I had to choose though, I'd rather a teacher make a call on the side of caution....probably not over a permanent marker though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by amandasgramma
    when someone in the school I went to had banned objects (sling shots in those days), they were taken away....and given back at the end of the school year. You didn't see the total disrespect for schools that you see now. I believe students have lost respect for schools, teachers, administration ---they see the DUMB moves made.
    totally agree!

    I've home educated mine for the last 12 years (graduated 2 boys and the daughter is almost finished). Best thing I've ever done. It's not for everyone though, I understand that. ;)

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    I can understand a zero tolerance for sharp knives and guns.
    I can understand a zero tolerance for illegal drugs and alcohol.
    The permenant marker thing, I think the kid should have had to clean all the desks and/or other items with grafiti to show someone has to clean it off and its not very enjoyable. Let them see actions have consequences. I remember someone had to clean gum off the bleachers when they put gum under a desk. They never did it again.
    Inhalers as they are needed should be talked about with all involved, teacher, child, parent, and principal. Parents should inform severity of condition to the teacher and principal and the child should be instructed with all there not to bring it out to show other kids but rather only when he/she needs to use it. Maybe even help provide sugestions where to carry it so other children can't get to it as there are risks to others.
    Schools need to work with parents and visa versa.

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    What the heck could he have possibly been doing with a marker to get him arrested? Don't the police have any sense either?

    My granddaughter goes to a private school. One little boy has been going to see the school counselor because he hugs everyone but the kids that bully get away with it.

    The school enrollment has gone way down because the principal chooses to ignore the bullying. I know a little girl whose nose was broken by another little girl when she pushed her down.

    I can't imagine why this child was arrested. Do you know what the parents did about this? Hopefully this won't follow this child for the rest of his life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luv2so
    What the heck could he have possibly been doing with a marker to get him arrested? Don't the police have any sense either?
    If they live in a larger city, it might be gang related. Students tag or mark their territory with spray paint and markers. My guess is it might have been something to do with that. In a city I worked as an assistant principal we had remodeling done on the bathrooms. The first week it was finished three 4th graders tagged the bathroom with markers with their gang signs. I called the parents and gave them a choice, their child could be suspended for gang graffitti or they could have in-school suspension with me and spend half the day cleaning the school and half doing their school work. Two parents said 'keep them' and one parent came to get his son, that was, until I showed him the writing in the bathroom and he knew instantly it was his son's 'artwork' and then he said, "Make him clean the entire school!" He was so embarrassed and ashamed of his son. They had in-school suspension/cleaning duty for most of a week and after that I found one of them telling another child, "Keep your hands off the wall, we just cleaned that!" Another one of the boys came to tell me they needed to clean the windows again because someone put fingerprints all over it. It was amazing that they were taking so much pride in their school.

    I know at our high schools we run the students through metal detectors and check their backpacks and we confiscate all permanent markers or sharp metal objects.

    It makes you wonder what the circumstances were with this child that was arrested.

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    She actually looked proud of herself. The whole thing is ludicrous.

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