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Old 04-01-2013, 04:54 AM
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I entered a quilt show and wrote on the card that it was long arm quilted by Marie ......Almost all the quilts were long arm quited by someone else. I know a long arm quilter who did such a beautiful job on a quilt that she was awarded a blue ribbon for the quilting and the lady sent it to her from Connecticut. I don't think it's cheating if it is stated who did what.
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Old 04-01-2013, 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by soccertxi View Post
Please don't use the word "cheat". Someone told me I was a CHEATER...loudly and often, because I'm a machine quilter and not a hand quilter. Its SUCH a strong word. I was so upset, I cried. Now I'm just angry that I let that man's words cheapen the nice work I do. Everyone has their own opinions I know, but this is QUILTING..not surgery or rocket science. There is a place for ALL that we do. By the way, next time I show off a quilt, and his JAW drops, he might hear that he will NEVER get one of my quilts. And I did not picket his cabinet shop with signs that said he was a cheater because he uses POWER TOOLS instead of hand tools. ....ok...sorry! Off my soap box now...I love it ALL..hand, machine, quilt for hire, do all your own... we need to back ourselves up, not knock ourselves down.
I don't think the OP was saying at all that it was cheating to MAKE a quilt in this manner, she was wondering if it was cheating to enter a quilt in a show that was made in this manner.

And it really depends completely on the show. I've seen show announcements that ONLY accept quilts that were pieced and quilted by one person, no other stitchers allowed, including binding. In this case, it absolutely would be cheating. I have seen others that allow multiple stitchers, but they all have to be named, so if the person entering the show didn't disclose that other did the work, it would be cheating. And then there are other shows that have no restrictions at all, not cheating.

This board is good about not having quilt police- it isn't cheating to make a quilt in any manner you want to make it. But to enter a show and win a prize while not following rules, that is the definition of cheating. Without knowing what this quilt show's rules were, I can't say whether this person cheated or not.
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Old 04-01-2013, 05:43 AM
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She wouldn't have told you she sent it out to be quilted if she thought it was cheating. Like many have said, the rules vary. To me the overall design and piecing make the quilt. The quilting enhances that creation. We send out all our quilts but don't enter them in competition. I do give credit to the quilter.
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Originally Posted by soccertxi View Post
Please don't use the word "cheat". Someone told me I was a CHEATER...loudly and often, because I'm a machine quilter and not a hand quilter. Its SUCH a strong word. I was so upset, I cried. Now I'm just angry that I let that man's words cheapen the nice work I do. Everyone has their own opinions I know, but this is QUILTING..not surgery or rocket science. There is a place for ALL that we do. By the way, next time I show off a quilt, and his JAW drops, he might hear that he will NEVER get one of my quilts. And I did not picket his cabinet shop with signs that said he was a cheater because he uses POWER TOOLS instead of hand tools. ....ok...sorry! Off my soap box now...I love it ALL..hand, machine, quilt for hire, do all your own... we need to back ourselves up, not knock ourselves down.
Thank you for this.....I can't hand quilt, the arthritis in my hands wont' allow it, but I piece my quilts on the machine and hand sew the binding on (altho that is even getting rough), to say I'm cheating on my quilts is an insult....I realize there are SNOBS in every craft but that goes a bit far!
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Old 04-01-2013, 06:09 AM
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I was at a family funeral and the person who died had his first wife show up. I was talking to my cousin about quilting when this first wife said loudly how she hand pieced and hand quilted only. She said it took her two years to make one quilt. She started yada yada yada about hand sewing and how that is the only way to make a quilt. I stood up from the table and walked off.

Her bragging and putting my cousin and myself down was really bothering me. Since 1992 I've made over 50 quilts and no one that I've given a quilt to has even said a word about them being sewn with a sewing machine or quilted by a LAer. It was the first time in 15 years I saw my cousin and we found out that we both quilted and this lady ruined it for the both of us. I don't know if I'll see my cousin again and I'm frustrated by this lady's bragging. Why do people who hand sew think they have the right to brag to people who machine sew?
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Originally Posted by DebbieG View Post
Thank you for this.....I can't hand quilt, the arthritis in my hands wont' allow it, but I piece my quilts on the machine and hand sew the binding on (altho that is even getting rough), to say I'm cheating on my quilts is an insult....I realize there are SNOBS in every craft but that goes a bit far!
She never said ANYTHING about machine quilting being cheating. She asked whether it was cheating to enter a quilt in a show that wasn't all your own work. Since we don't know the rules of the show, we can't answer that, could be cheating, most cases it isn't- but people sure are getting fussy about something the OP didn't even say. The comment about cheating was entirely about SHOWS, not just making quilts.
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Old 04-01-2013, 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Skittl1321 View Post
She never said ANYTHING about machine quilting being cheating. She asked whether it was cheating to enter a quilt in a show that wasn't all your own work. Since we don't know the rules of the show, we can't answer that, could be cheating, most cases it isn't- but people sure are getting fussy about something the OP didn't even say. The comment about cheating was entirely about SHOWS, not just making quilts.
All I asked was not to use the word 'CHEAT" Its a strong word and evokes hard feelings.
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Originally Posted by soccertxi View Post
All I asked was not to use the word 'CHEAT" Its a strong word and evokes hard feelings.
But if you enter a contest and deliberately do not follow the rules (which we cannot verify the person this thread was started about was doing without seeing those rules, they likely weren't) you are CHEATING.

If a quilt show says only a single stitcher, if someone else did your quilting, and you enter anyway, it's cheating.
If you enter a quilt show that asks you to disclose whether you used a stitch regulator, and you did but don't say- it's cheating.

What word would you prefer? Doing something against the rules, on purpose, is cheating.
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Originally Posted by soccertxi View Post
Please don't use the word "cheat". Someone told me I was a CHEATER...loudly and often, because I'm a machine quilter and not a hand quilter. Its SUCH a strong word. I was so upset, I cried. Now I'm just angry that I let that man's words cheapen the nice work I do. Everyone has their own opinions I know, but this is QUILTING..not surgery or rocket science. There is a place for ALL that we do. By the way, next time I show off a quilt, and his JAW drops, he might hear that he will NEVER get one of my quilts. And I did not picket his cabinet shop with signs that said he was a cheater because he uses POWER TOOLS instead of hand tools. ....ok...sorry! Off my soap box now...I love it ALL..hand, machine, quilt for hire, do all your own... we need to back ourselves up, not knock ourselves down.
One of my coworkers told me the same thing...that I cheated because I machine pieced!. I love your example about the use of power tools vs hand tools. Think that would apply to just about everything we do. If someone chooses to use "traditional" methods or "modern" methods, it's their choice.
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Old 04-01-2013, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Skittl1321 View Post
But if you enter a contest and deliberately do not follow the rules (which we cannot verify the person this thread was started about was doing without seeing those rules, they likely weren't) you are CHEATING.

If a quilt show says only a single stitcher, if someone else did your quilting, and you enter anyway, it's cheating.
If you enter a quilt show that asks you to disclose whether you used a stitch regulator, and you did but don't say- it's cheating.

What word would you prefer? Doing something against the rules, on purpose, is cheating.
this poster STATED that the quilter told her she had done the piecing and someone else did the quilting. So, she's apparently not keeping the other person's involvement a secret. How anyone can surmise by that statement that the rules were not followed is beyond me.
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